100% agree, but at least this will commoditise the current space and help us
all move on to the real challenge (which is as you say the actual human to
human piece).  The more we commoditise these older areas the more chance
there is to move on to the next thing.  Historically we've had real issues
in going over the same ground over and over again rather than moving on to
the next problem set.

One question around HIM though is whether its mindset is still individuals
with individuals, which is hard enough, or dynamic ad-hoc groups which is
much harder.  It would be nice to move on to the first stage of that, but
I've still not seen anything that really helps with the later (except for a
really good PA).

Steve


On 27/06/07, Keith Harrison-Broninski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

   Just to clarify.

When the BPEL folk say "human interactions" they mean between interactions
between humans and systems (H2S).  This is what BPEL4People sets out to deal
with.

This is a separate matter from interactions between humans and humans
(H2H), the domain of Human Interaction 
Management<http://human-interaction-management.info>(HIM).  Such work is 
collaborative, innovative, and adaptive - and cannot be
supported with a language such as BPEL, no matter how it is extended.  All
mainstream BPM languages, including graphical notations like BPMN, are based
on carrying out steps in a pre-defined sequence, which is not how humans
work together.

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All the best
Keith

http://keith.harrison-broninski.info


Gervas Douglas wrote:

A group of technology vendors that includes Active Endpoints, Adobe,
BEA Systems, IBM, Oracle and SAP, has published business process
execution language for people, or BPEL4People, as a set of
specifications to define human interactions in business processes.

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