The article also seems to be equating SOA to WS-*. (Not really --
because it describes WOA as a subset of SOA -- but it's still the
sense you take away from it -- especially based on the title and the
first paragraph.)

We've already ranted enough on this list about SOA not being tied to
any particular technology.

While I concur that REST is more elegant and more scalable than WS-*,
it annoys me to hear people claim that WS-* doesn't work. There is
empirical proof that WS-* works. I can cite hundreds of companies that
are using WS-* in production today. I was particularly impressed by
Hari Gopalkrishnan's talk at the InfoWorld SOA Executive Forum
(http://www.infoworld.com/event/soa/07/november/soa_agenda.html)
earlier this month. Hari is Chief Technology Architect & Divisional
CIO at Lehman Bros, and he told a great story of how Lehman is
progressing in its SOA initiative. Lehman is just starting to
investigate RESTful services. To date, everything they've done is
based on SOAP.

Anne

On Nov 22, 2007 7:10 AM, ash galal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> In the same article located at:
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> http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?ref=g_search&id=504118&subref=simplesearch
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>  The recommendations are:
>
>  # Companies building (or re-factoring legacy)
>  process-centric applications that rely heavily on
>  middleware should pursue WS-*.
>  # Companies pursuing content-centric development (or
>  re-factoring) without the need for robust middleware
>  should pursue WOA.
>  # Large IT organizations implementing complex systems
>  must be able to simultaneously employ WS-* and WOA
>  approaches. Organizations implementing WS-* should
>  still embrace proven WOA architectural principles as
>  much as possible.
>  # Regardless of approach, companies should adhere to
>  the foundation principles of SOA (see "Five Principles
>  of SOA in Business and IT") and apply good design
>  techniques.
>  To summarize:
>  WOA is in a need to similar technology that been used
>  by ws-* in order to achieve what ws-* has achieved.
>
>  All the best
>
>  Ashraf Galal
>
>
>
>  --- ironick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>  > WOA is what SOA should have been...and can still
>  > become.
>  >
>  > Sent to you by ironick via Google Reader: SOA is
>  > ovah?! via Web
>  > Oriented Architecture blog by William Rice on
>  > 11/9/07
>  > Is the SOA story over?
>  > By Wesley in der Maur, William Rice, Ernst Siegert
>  >
>  > For years we have been talking about SOA, and some
>  > of us have even been
>  > implementing it. Or at least trying to do so. In
>  > practice, SOA appears
>  > to be failing to deliver on its promises. Why is
>  > this? Have we all been
>  > fooled by a flawed concept?
>  >
>  > We don?t think so.
>  >
>  > The concept is ok, and when properly implemented a
>  > Service Oriented
>  > Architecture should be able to provide the benefits
>  > of cost reduction,
>  > short time to market, flexibility etc. The problem
>  > is not with the
>  > concept, but with the execution! To successfully
>  > implement a SOA,
>  > organizations need to really go for this ? no
>  > holding back. To get this
>  > kind of commitment, the desire has to come from
>  > within the business
>  > units and must not be another example of ?IT driving
>  > the business?.
>  > Such has been the case with SOA, we might say.
>  >
>  > To successfully deliver the concept and promises of
>  > SOA, a new kid on
>  > the block appears to be coming to the rescue. This
>  > is the concept of
>  > WOA ? Web Oriented Architecture.
>  >
>  > One definition (from Gartner) of Web Oriented
>  > Architecture: an
>  > architectural style that is a substyle of SOA based
>  > on the architecture
>  > of the WWW with the following additional
>  > constraints: globally linked,
>  > decentralized, and uniform intermediary processing
>  > of application state
>  > via self-describing messages.
>  >
>  > A few statements from the blogosphere further
>  > explaining the concept of
>  > WOA:
>  > - Web-Oriented Architecture (WOA) may emerge as a
>  > ?lightweight version
>  > of SOA? - Gartner?s Nick Gall
>  > - Dion Hinchcliffe?s WOA vision: ?the SOA with
>  > reach?
>  > - Pragmatic Service-Oriented Architecture:
>  > Introducing the WOA/Client
>  > (Architecture Journal)
>  >
>  > Examples are to be seen everywhere. More and more
>  > companies are
>  > beginning to provide (sell) and integrate web
>  > services as offered over
>  > the internet in to their applications. Internet
>  > applications, used
>  > primarily for customer interaction at the moment,
>  > but also supporting
>  > internal business functions, such as Salesforce.com
>  > does for CRM
>  > processes.
>  > Other examples from our own experience are large
>  > insurance companies
>  > integrating a State-provided vehicle information
>  > service in their car
>  > insurance web applications and a large publishing
>  > company delivering
>  > functionality with integrated content as services
>  > for customers to
>  > integrate in their own portals.
>  >
>  > These examples show us the cost benefits of Web
>  > Oriented Architecture ?
>  > designing by ?mashing up? ? and the fact that it
>  > delivers new sources
>  > of income for companies.
>  >
>  > So, WOA is positioned as a subset of SOA, a
>  > ?lightweight? version.
>  > Lightweight because one makes use of what is already
>  > ?out there?: the
>  > architecture of the World Wide Web. Technology is
>  > proven, known and
>  > used by everyone. This means low risk, high
>  > interoperability and quick
>  > and easy to implement. And, most importantly, the
>  > business is
>  > acquainted with it. They already have been using it
>  > in everyday for
>  > many years now. So why not use it for the
>  > enterprise?
>  >
>  > Conclusion: with WOA paving the way by quickly
>  > showing successes and
>  > expanding the reach, the SOA concept will prove
>  > valid and its value.
>  > WOA is what SOA should have been.
>  >
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>  > this post.
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