--- In [email protected], Michael 
Poulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I still disagree with:
> 
> "SOA is not a discrete level of architecture. It is not itself an 
> architecture at all."

I thought you earlier stated that SOA is not an architecture? 

Ah, I think I see now. You weren't arguing that SOA isn't an 
architecture, but that merely a collection of services is not an 
architecture.

> I do not see anything wrong in "One applies SO principles, the SO 
> style, to business architecture, or EA or any other discrete 
> architecture." As a result we have business service-oriented 
> architecture which may be included into Enterprise service-oriented 
> architecture together with IT/Technology service-oriented 
> architecture ( interesting what TOGAF 9.0 is going to say about 
> this! SO far, I am in the spirit of TOGAF 8.1 - EA = BA + IT/TA )
> 
> How we can agree on the following statement:
> "(a) service-oriented architecture is (any) architecture (business, 
> enterprise, etc., comprising services--which is) essentially a 
> collection of services"
> 
> when architecture becomes essentially equal to a collection? Where 
> is all relationship stuff? Can we say that a car is "essentially a 
> collection of" wheels and engine?

Yes--it'd be a "Wheel-oriented architecture." Just joking. :-)

Good point though. A tweak might be: "(a) service-oriented 
architecture is (any) architecture (business, enterprise, etc., 
comprising services, describing the relationships between them."

Thoughts?

-Rob


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