2008/6/12 Rob Eamon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > --- In service-orientated-architecture@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Jones" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Nope, but what are the odds that this would be the case for most >> architects or any vendors? > > Well I know at least 2 in these forums. ;-) > >> >> Its a model, its meant to be abstract. The model of a door is >> pretty abstract and means lots of things can be considered doors, >> but the model at least says what is a door and what isn't a floor. > > We've been down this path before and I guess we still disagree. > >> >> I know, everyone else should stop writing SOA books and just use >> mine ;) > > :-) > > I was going to explicitly pick on you a bit and say that your book is > contributing to the ambiguity--standing alone as it does in equating > SOA with BA (or is there another that does?).
I'd say that IBM's CBM although it uses the word component (wonderfully 1990s ;) does a similar thing. > >> >> > >> > The resistance to a change in thinking is driven in part by the >> > fact that most are *not* rewarded for "transforming the >> > business." They are incented to get their project done on time >> > and on budget. *That* problem is a business issue, not an IT only >> > issue. It's a maturity problem of the business as a whole (which >> > includes IT)--it isn't unique to the IT group. >> >> +100.... > > Since you agree, perhaps you'll stop blaming only IT as you tend to > do? ;-) Include them in the blame, certainly, but don't drop it all > on that group. Oh I don't, you should hear me in front of a business audience. > >> and this is manifested in the applications that those >> projects create. > > Yes, the resulting systems will reflect the type of planning. > Different or "better" planning will manifest as "good" > applications. :-) So applications are not to blame, > planning/architecture is. Even good planning if rewarded around project go-live will result in poor applications. The whole project development lifecycle is set up to create bad applications, even when planned well. Steve > > -Rob > >
