--- In [email protected], Michael 
Poulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> <firing into the "milk"> stands for missing the target...

Thanks for the "new thing learned today!"

> It is about misunderstanding of what SO is about from the project 
> management and testing team. It is not about applications. I am 
> saying - doing SO work, you have to think in SO all way down to 
> production.

I get your meaning now, I think.

> Nobody saying that apps would go away soon. I only question the 
> ability "to expose capabilities as services" by adding just a 
> publicly accessible interface. I believe, and all my experience 
> confirms it, that it is simply not enough. This is why I state that 
> a Web Services interface on a monolithic app does not make it a 
> service. Nothing more.

Got ya. We agree. I hope I didn't post anything that indicated I was 
advocating that.

> Not exactly. It may be a healthy app but we do not know about it up-
> front. Finding a useful function in the app is a 1/2 of work. Now 
> we have to confirm that this function can properly work in SO 
> environment (retiring the rest of the app or not) - this is the 
> second 1/2 of work. For instance, in many cases, the knowledge of 
> the internal dependencies inside the app is lost in the company and 
> we may get surprises when call the function directly...

We fundamentally agree. We need to understand the impact and 
implications fully.

> >   It seems to me that the 
> >    issues should considered on a case-by-case basis. Some apps 
> >    will play  fine. Others will not.
> 
> AGREE


Yay!

-Rob


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