Steve, I believe your main point is that creating a data abstraction 
layer degrades performance, sometimes unacceptably.  Agreed, any 
type of abstraction (data or otherwise) is going to have a 
performance cost to some degree.  This cost must be balanced against 
other desired characteristics, including performance.  In 
retrospect, this would have been a good discussion point in the 
article.

As for the diagram in figure 1, I do appologize for it being high 
level and somewhat vague.  It was added after the fact at the 
request of the editor, and I hastily created it during a session 
break at SOA World.  However, you took liberties in distorting it to 
emphasize your point.  In the end, I can't tell whether its just the 
diagram that is inappropriate in your mind, or the overall concept 
of a data abstraction layer.  I do value your opinion, so it would 
be great to hear from you, at least to confirm that this is a 
performance issue, or something broader.

-Kirstan

--- In [email protected], "Steve 
Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> +1
> 
> Loving figure one
> 
> Data
> Data Abstraction
> Data Services
> Process
> 
> 
> Hey its a 3 tier model just for the data.
> 
> This is a consistent problem that I see when database people have 
been
> forced to make the jump into middleware because they can't write
> PL/SQL any more.  Suddenly the data moves rapidly up the tiers but 
all
> the time with "performance" in mind (direct access) so you get the
> myth of abstraction with the reality of a horrible mess.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 2008/6/23 Rob Eamon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > --- In [email protected], Kirstan
> >
> > Vandersluis wrote:
> >>
> >> Companies seeking increased agility and reuse through service-
> >> oriented architecture quickly find that making sense of widely
> >> distributed and disparate data is a major roadblock to achieving
> >> the benefits of SOA.
> >
> > IMO, this article is mixing old and new approaches and saying 
that
> > the old approach (data abstraction layer) is needed for the new
> > approach (SOA) to succeed.
> >
> > This is captured in one of the examples:
> >
> >> As an example, an application may request a customer record from
> >> the data abstraction layer.
> >
> > IMO, this is just outright off in an SO system. An application 
would
> > call an operation in the Customer Management service. The service
> > abstracts away the physical storage and presents the logical
> > representation.
> >
> > In other words, the services layer provides the data abstraction
> > layer implicitly. (But the focus isn't on simply providing 
access to
> > data--it is on behavior and real-world effects. Access to data is
> > incidental to *doing* something.)
> >
> > IMO, there is no need for a DAL except as a temporary 
transitional
> > construct to support services implementations that are 
fronting "old"
> > applications/data. The transition of ownership of the data from 
those
> > apps/data stores to the services eliminates the need for a DAL.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
>


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