So when did Miko join Ixx and start using FUD? I agree with Dave on 
this one.

Michaelangelo may not try to carve marble with his bare hands, but  
most people probably will benefit starting with a simple clay project 
to get some basic understanding of art before trying to carve marble.

IMHO, it's better in invest in a good teacher who will teach you the 
fundamentals before investing in expensive tools.

Cheers,
H.Ozawa

--- In [email protected], "Gervas 
Douglas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> <<So there's been a lot of blogs lately about SOA tooling including
> from Dave Linthicum.
> 
> He writes:
> 
>     First, only purchase SOA governance technology, if it's indeed
> needed, after you have a complete semantic-, service-, and
> process-level understanding of the problem domain. Never before.
> 
>     Second, focus on SOA governance as an approach and practice, not
> as technology. Create a SOA governance strategy first, and make sure
> it's considered during each step.
> 
>     Finally, and more importantly, make sure that your architecture 
is
> independent of the technology you select. 
> 
> Now I agree wholeheartedly that you should make sure the 
architecture
> is technology independent.
> 
> I can see where he's coming from with respect to having technique 
come
> first and tooling second. But there are some very key flaws in this
> reasoning.
> 
> His post here says:
> 
>     The end result is you spend four months with the Thigh Master 
and
> the Abdominizer and have made little progress. While the technology
> promised quick results and seemed easier than doing the "real work,"
> the reality is somewhat more sobering. There are just no short cuts 
to
> SOA and SOA governance. So, get your people and process issues 
solved
> first, focus on understanding, define your approach, and then look 
for
> any helpful technology.
> 
> While I do agree that there's no shortcut with SOA Adoption skills 
and
> that skills are critical to adoption, the relationship between tools
> and skills is completely wrongly stated here. The metaphor of the
> Abdominizer seems to indicate that tooling for SOA Governance is 
like
> a fancy toy that ends up in your closet.
> 
> This could not be further from the truth and is a dangerous way of
> looking at it. Without governance and policy enforcement 
capabilities,
> your SOA will run away from you and eventually be unable to attain 
any
> significant scale. A better analogy may be the tools that a 
sculptor uses.
> 
> Now you might want to get started sculpting wood, in which case you
> need simple chisel and hammer. Eventually you may move to marble. 
You
> could argue that in the beginning, clay sculptures that require no
> tools might be best. But eventually if your architecture is going to
> be the basis for a strong implementation, you will go to marble.
> 
> So I dont mind you practicing on clay, but dont think your final SOA
> is going to be built out of clay. Now a high quality sculpting 
chisel
> and hammer is useless in the hands of a moron. But even 
Michaelangelo
> will not try to carve marble with his bare hands.
> 
> Try doing SOA adoption without governance tooling, both runtime and
> lifecycle tooling. You'll be in hot water fast.>>
> 
> You can read this blog at:
> 
> http://www.soacenter.com/
> 
> Gervas
>


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