2008/11/24 Mark Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> A little bit pie in the sky here, nice in theory but a killer in practice
>>
>> So as an example.
>>
>> Imagine a message about a prisoner requesting a specific training class.
>>
>> The message would have to include
>
> No, it wouldn't. The author is talking about stateless messaging -
> though it's a little difficult to tell - and all that requires is that
> the message contain all the information needed to understand its
> meaning. If the sender doesn't want the message to communicate why
> the prisoner is behind bars, then they shouldn't include it. If they
> do, then they should. It's just that simple.

Which makes it redundant from an archival perspective as it just
includes the message which says A-B happens.  This can be a reasonable
approach (although I'd still recommend references, sending a URI for
instance if using REST).   You end up with a  view of the messages
(execution context from an RM perspective) but not the broader service
interaction (policy, etc).

Steve

>
> I wrote a blog post last year on some of the subtleties of stateless &
> self-descriptive messaging;
>
> http://www.markbaker.ca/blog/2007/11/users-and-self-description/

Interesting post.

Steve

>
> Mark.
> 

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