Henryk,

 

There is a desire, when implementing SOA infrastructure, to drive it via
policy.  Security functions are often one of those low hanging fruits that
are often abstracted into the infrastructure such that it can be
consistently implemented across non-infrastructure services.  As always
there is a trade-off here; The benefits of consistent enforcement vs.
potential aggregation of risk that each organization has to resolve.

 

XACML does provide a mechanism for coding access control rules and is
gaining more and more traction, but would suggest when it comes to
implementation, you go into it with open eyes, and take vendor claims with a
grain of salt. I wrote up something about this some time ago
(http://www.aniltj.com/blog/2008/09/28/RealityOfXACMLPEPPDPInteroperability.
aspx) and that entry was in some ways motivated by conversations with some
vendors in the Fine Grained AuthZ/Entitlement Management space, who when
pressed on the actual implementation details of their current shipping
products and their ability to support a multi-vendor environment, seemed to
find silence the best answer J

 

Regards,

 

-        Anil

 

From: [email protected]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of henryk
mozman
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [service-orientated-architecture] policy-driven security

 


Thank you Michael for your sponse.

Is XACML  the only viable approach to policy-driven SOA security ?


Henryk

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Michael Poulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Michael Poulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [service-orientated-architecture] policy-driven security
To: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 5:41 AM

Henryk,

 

this is not much different from the application security (including all
interfaces and UI, business logic layer, and data access). 

 

Since policies are usually expressed  via rules, you can automate not only
policy creation and storage but also development and run-time policy
enforcement (though the latter is managerial, not governance function)

 

In Governance, you have to identify types of risk and threats, define
mitigating and remediating means (methods, instruments/ tools, controls),
and specify the security control procedures. Based on this you may need
using WS*-Security and related standards or may not need them at all.

 

The only 'specific' in SOA security is the specific of security in
distributed environment. Since 75-80% security violations happen inside the
companies, SOA security stresses inter-service security. Another special
aspect is in the service comparabilit y. In SOA, the service design should
not consider and build-in special knowledge about future consumers and the
environment where it might be used. This means, that service resources may
have no idea about the end-user identities and credentials, i.e. it would
not make sense propagating them inside the services. For the audit purposes,
you can have full and strong security control of the user at the initial
request point and use security trust federation below that point while
collecting the IDs of the services and components that have been engaged
into the user's request processing.

 

Good luck,

- Michael  

 

  _____  

From: henryk mozman <henrykmozman@ yahoo.com>
To: service-orientated- architecture@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 6:01:34 AM
Subject: [service-orientated -architecture] policy-driven security


Hello all,

I am looking into SOA policy-driven security (as in Governance)

What is the current of this technology ?

Henryk


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