2009/3/31 Rob Eamon <[email protected]>:
> --- In [email protected], Steve Jones
> <jones.ste...@...> wrote:
>>
>> I wouldn't say that DARPA is an individual or that Brooks was the
>> single guiding leader behind OS/360. There are loads of brilliant
>> minds in the short history of IT (only one genius though, Alan
>> Turning) but the question was around a consistent single leader
>> being a good thing.
>
> Dave Cutler springs to mind as well. And in a completely different field,
> Clarence "Kelly" Johnson.
>
> I think we probably agree--an effective leader can be a good thing, and an
> ineffective leader can be a death-knell. I'd add this as well--a committee
> without an effective leader will generally produce less compelling material
> than will a group with a strong leader.

Agreed.  My point on leaders is that no matter how brilliant (and
Gosling for instance is certainly brilliant) they are not super-human
so as the technology is applied outside of their sphere of knowledge
it becomes a bigger challenge.

>
> Committees can be great when the goal is standardization--it matters more
> that a standard be established than that the standard be a great technology
> achievement. For SO principles, I think it matters more that the resulting
> architecture fulfill the goals of the entity that it models. IMO, that means
> strong architectural leadership and SO architects at all levels would
> benefit from a broadly recognized leader.

It would be nice, but OO seemed to do okay without one.

>
> Alas, SO is far from that.
>
> I recall someone pointing out that Gartner wasn't the definitive source for
> the meaning of SOA--even though virtually everyone recognizes Schulte and
> Natis as having coined the term and publishing the first formal definition.
>
> I recall also someone on another form saying that Gall's interpretation of
> WOA was wrong--even though he was the one that defined the term in the first
> place.

You mean Nick didn't couch his definition with the phrase "there is a
0.8 probability that WOA means...." ;)

>
> Disagreements abound regarding what SOA means. I was wistfully and futilely
> wishing for someone that could help unify things. Might the OASIS work
> satisfy that? It seems doubtful as this is the only forum I've ever seen
> anyone mention it.

I agree that the marketing of the OASIS piece was poor, I personally
wanted to see a bigger splash but its hard to get companies who aren't
vendors to agree.  I think "NASA agree on definition of SOA" would
have been a great headline.

Steve

>
> -Rob
>
> 

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