On 30 July 2010 03:18, Nick Gall <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Steve, > > If I listed a handful of references, then you'd ask "where are the stats to > show they are not outliers?" I know all too well after all these years that > NOTHING will convince you of anything. And I'm sure you feel the same way. > :-) >
Nope, stats and a couple of companies would be great, ideally companies that I've actually heard of and not web development shops. > > The survey was done, I assume, by informationweek. But Gartner has done > similar surveys that show REST growing steadily in our enterprise client > base over the years. > In Machine to Machine integration or as a pattern for Web development? There really is a massive difference between the two scenarios. I've seen the later but literally ZERO of the former. Even on programmes which have had a strong REST ethic around the Web side of the programme the heavy lifting at the backend has been universally done with WS-*. I just find it odd that if REST really is growing that I've yet to bump into a single company doing it for integration. I've even recommended REST a couple of times for information navigation scenarios at companies (where REST IMO is a good approach) but the response was "Huh?" followed by them using WS-*. Seriously I mean I've had ZERO people mention REST to me as an integration approach in the last 5 years. Web Development sure a few times (80% not actually doing REST but just calling it that) but M2M integration.... not ONCE. Steve > > -- Nick > > PS Gervas, Is this sig good enough? :-) > > Nick Gall > Phone: +1.781.608.5871 > Twitter: ironick > AOL IM: Nicholas Gall > Yahoo IM: nick_gall_1117 > MSN IM: (same as email) > Google Talk: (same as email) > Email: nick.gall AT-SIGN gmail DOT com > Weblog: http://ironick.typepad.com/ironick/ > > > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Steve Jones <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> Yet the only reference in the article is someone using WS-* and only >> looking at REST. It's a nice figure but where are the references? The >> article reads like "look REST is simple, but the only guy who would go on >> record is doing the other stuff, but he is thinking about REST so that >> proves it". Did you do the survey? >> >> Steve >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 30 Jul 2010, at 01:38, Nick Gall <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Steve Jones >> <jones.steveg@<[email protected]> >> gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> References? I've dealt with a bunch in the last few years and see REST a >>> couple of times and always limited to the web side. Meanwhile I've seen >>> huge, massive WS-* programmes in lots of different enterprises. On the >>> references side there are stacks for WS-* but I'm still struggling to find >>> REST enterprise integration examples, but I look forward to reading them. >>> >> >> >> <http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=214501922> >> http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=214501922: >> >> But our take--supported by survey results and discussions with a wide >> range of stakeholders--is that many companies are moving forward with SOA >> implementations, though a significant number have decided to shift course >> and take the path of least resistance. In essence, that means building their >> SOAs on the Web, using Internet-delivered APIs, and swapping in more agile >> REST-based Web services as a simpler alternative to heavyweight SOAP-based >> Web services where appropriate. In fact, when asked to indicate their past, >> present, and estimated future use of SOAP-based Web services vs. REST-based >> Web services, *respondents show a marked drop-off in use of SOAP, from >> 54% a year ago to a projected 42% in the next 18 months. The number >> primarily using or considering REST-based Web services is predicted to grow >> by a proportional amount, from 14% to 24% over the same time frame.* >> >> Slow but steady attrition for SOAP and slow but steady growth for REST... >> >> > >
