Hi Ioi,
On 17/06/2020 1:19 pm, Ioi Lam wrote:
On 6/16/20 6:20 PM, David Holmes wrote:
Hi Ioi,
On 17/06/2020 6:14 am, Ioi Lam wrote:
https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8246019
http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~iklam/jdk16/8246019-avoid-PerfClassTraceTime.v01/
PerfClassTraceTime is (a rarely used feature) for measuring the time
spent during class linking and initialization.
"A special command jcmd <process id/main class> PerfCounter.print
prints all performance counters in the process."
How do you know this is a "rarely used feature"?
Hi David,
Sure, the counter will be dumped, but by "rarely used" -- I mean no one
will find this particular counter useful, and no one will be actively
looking at it.
I changed two parts of the code -- class init and class linking.
For class initialization, the counter may be useful for people who want
to know how much time is spent in their <clinit> functions, and my patch
doesn't change that. It only avoids using the counter when a class has
no <clinit>, i.e., we know that the counter counts nothing (except for a
logging statement).
I can see where you are coming from here. Today we keep track of the
time taken to mark a class as initialized when there is no clinit to
execute, and we actually record pure timer overhead as it dwarfs the
simple update to the class state. With your change we now won't track
the time taken to mark the class as initialized. In both cases the time
recorded is inaccurate - in opposite senses. In that regard your slight
underestimation of the class initalization cost seems better then the
present over-estimate.
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For class linking, no user code is executed, so it only measures VM
code. If it's useful for anyone, that would be VM engineers like me who
are trying to optimize the speed of class loading. However, due to the
overhead of the counter vs what it's trying to measure, the results are
pretty meaningless.
Note that I've not disabled the counter altogether. Instead, I disable
it only when linking a CDS shared class, and we know that very little is
happening for this class (e.g., no verification).
Yes I have little concern for this part. Linking is a multi-phase
process so "time for linking" is already ill-defined. And the fact you
only do it for CDS makes it even less interesting.
I think the class linking timer might have been useful 15 years ago when
it was introduced, or it might be useful today when CDS is disabled. But
with CDS enabled, we are paying a constant price that seems to benefit
no one.
I think we should short-circuit it when it seems appropriate. If this
indeed causes problems for our users, it's easy to re-enable it. That's
better than just keeping this forever just because we're afraid to touch
anything.
I'm uncomfortable with both the "keep forever as we're too afraid to
change" and "change it now and restore it if anyone complains" ends of
this spectrum. Obviously we need to make progress, but the "change it
now and change back later if needed" is a bit naive, as once any change
is made we can't change back without affecting another set of users, and
we don't know how long it will be before the change reaches users and
the problems return to us. From a CSR perspective I want to see that due
diligence has been applied with regard to these behavioural changes, and
JDK engineers are often not in a position to understand how end users
use this kind of information. I don't have a solution for that general
problem.
In this particular case I think under-estimating the class
initialization overhead is better than the present over-estimate. Though
anyone tracking the trends here will be surprised when the cost suddenly
drops.
I find it hard to evaluate whether this short-circuiting of the time
tracing is reasonable or not. Obviously any monitoring mechanism
should impose minimal overhead compared to what is being measured, and
these timers fall short in that regard. But if these stats become
meaningless then they may as well be removed.
I think the serviceability folk (cc'd) need to evaluate this in the
context of the M&M tools.
However, it's quite expensive and it needs to start and stop a bunch
of timers. With CDS, it's quite often for the overhead of the timer
itself to be much more than the time it's trying to measure, giving
unreliable measurement.
In this patch, when it's clear that the init and linking will be very
quick, I disable the timer and count only the number of invocations.
This shows a small improvement in start-up
I'm curious if you tried to forcing EagerInitialization to be true to
see how that improves the baseline. I've always noticed eager_init in
the code, but hadn't realized it is disabled by default.
I think it cannot be done by default, as it will violate the JLS. A
class can be initialized only when it's touched by bytecodes.
I'm also not sure it violates JLS as you can't directly query if a class
is initialized, but anyway I wasn't suggesting turning this on by
default, I meant only in regard to get a performance baseline to compare
against the changes you have implemented here.
Aside: I have to wonder whether anyone uses EagerInitialization or
whether we should get rid of it?
It can also backfire as we may load many classes without initializing
them. E.g., during bytecode verification, we load many classes and just
check that one is a supertype of another.
Not sure what is backfiring here ??
Thanks,
David
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Thanks
- Ioi
Cheers,
David
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Results of " perf stat -r 100 bin/java -Xshare:on
-XX:SharedArchiveFile=jdk2.jsa -Xint -version "
59623970 59341935 (-282035) ----- 41.774 41.591 ( -0.183) -
59623495 59331646 (-291849) ----- 41.696 41.165 ( -0.531) --
59627148 59329526 (-297622) ----- 41.249 41.094 ( -0.155) -
59612439 59340760 (-271679) ---- 41.773 40.657 ( -1.116) -----
59626438 59335681 (-290757) ----- 41.683 40.901 ( -0.782) ----
59618436 59338953 (-279483) ----- 41.861 41.249 ( -0.612) ---
59608782 59340173 (-268609) ---- 41.198 41.508 ( 0.310) +
59614612 59325177 (-289435) ----- 41.397 41.738 ( 0.341) ++
59615905 59344006 (-271899) ---- 41.921 40.969 ( -0.952) ----
59635867 59333147 (-302720) ----- 41.491 40.836 ( -0.655) ---
================================================
59620708 59336100 (-284608) ----- 41.604 41.169 ( -0.434) --
instruction delta = -284608 -0.4774%
time delta = -0.434 ms -1.0435%
The number of PerfClassTraceTime's used is reduced from 564 to 116
(so we have an overhead of about 715 instructions per use, yikes!).
