You asked for it, you got it :) A searchable forum for Java Servlet Newbies: http://www.unix.com/lite/ Java Servlets for Dummies Questions and Answers. Please feel free to use it as you see fit. -Tim >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Bass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 2:36 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: 2 Cents Worth: 2 solutions > > >John, > >Sounds good. A combination of searchable forum might be good. >Please keep me in the loop. -Tim > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: John D. McDonald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 1:07 AM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: RE: 2 Cents Worth: 2 solutions >> >> >>Tim, >>I don't have access to "mailing" the list for some reason. They >>keep telling >>me that my email address is not correct. Whatever. >> >>Anyhow. I would be interested in putting together a web site or list for >>java "newbies". Someone mentioned that a leader is required for this group >>and I'm not sure I'm qualified but I'm sure that I can answer allot of >>questions. If this is going to work I think the first thing that >we need to >>do is come up with a "format" for this list. What would best suit >the needs >>of a newbie. By this I mean, what would be the best resource for >newbies to >>retrieve information on a given subject. Sun has a forums area, but the >>search engine is pretty lame. There are questions that are asked over and >>over and over from newbies that could be answered automatically. Such as: >>where can I get the JSDK? Auto-responders could instantly answer questions >>of this type. >> >>Why don't all the people who are interested exchange emails(I >have a couple >>of web sites that we could use to create this "organization" of members. >>Neither one of them are really being used at the present time. Could you >>forward this email to the list and ask for anyone who is interested in >>becoming a member of this organization to send an email to me. In >>a few days >>I'll send an email out to all who are interested and we can begin >>brainstorming. >> >>I look forward to all of your responses. >> >>-john >>java | nut! >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: A mailing list for discussion about Sun Microsystem's Java >>Servlet API >>Technology. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of BRASSEL Tim >>(NQ) >>Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 4:29 PM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: 2 Cents Worth: 2 solutions >> >>Well if we can drum up some support from others we can pool our resources >>and come up with an acceptable solution. >>I will definitely put my hand up for it. >>I have no experience in Project Management ... if someone out >there has and >>is willing to take this on we can get started. >> >>Tim >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Tim Bass [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> Sent: None >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: Re: 2 Cents Worth: 2 solutions >>> >>> Tim, >>> >>> Hey! I agree,the Microsoft crowd is raging war against the open >>> systems based middleware. It does not do Java or anyone any good >>> if the lists are fighting about newbies vs. gurus, etc. The >>> way I see it, a active list is a good thing, means people care >>> and are interested. We are all newbies, until we become experts, >>> when when we are bored, we become newbies again. >>> >>> The problem, as I see it, is that many people are in a hurry and >>> forget to take the time to read faqs, do searches, etc. Then, >>> after the get their feet wet, they go back and start to read, >>> if they like it. There will always be newbies. >>> >>> What can I do to help? >>> -Tim >>> >>> >>> > >>> > Hey Tim, >>> > I agree with your comments, >>> > maybe we should look at putting together an archive list >>"search engine" >>> > that can be accessed by the newer users on the web... >>> > I don't think it would be to difficult a task ( I don't >>actually know if >>> > this has been done). >>> > Maybe others will think it is too much trouble to go to for >the sake of >>> > increasing the knowledge base of an industry that ... lets face it ... >>> are >>> > behind the eight ball. >>> > I think the newbies are the life blood of something (I'm not sure what >>> > exactly) that is emerging from this internet paradigm. >>> > I have been trying to get the management team of my org. to put >>> resources >>> > into Java Technology but they are reluctant because they are scared of >>> the >>> > unknown. I think this is the biggest problem with the Microsoft >>> dominated >>> > industry. >>> > I am not wanting to sound righteous ... please nail me with critisisms >>> my >>> > fellow keyboard jockeys ... it will only help to fuel some change. >>> > ( egad ..i sound like the dude off braveheart) >>> > Cheers >>> > Tim Brassel >>> > IS Division >>> > Ergon Energy >>> > Townsville Australia >>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > From: Tim Bass [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 10:41 PM >>> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > Subject: Re: 2 Cents Worth: 2 solutions >>> > > >>> > > Might be helpful to keep in mind that 'expert and gurus' >>> > > in all technical fields started out as 'rookies asking >>> > > stupid questions.' It is that 'rookie of today asking >>> > > a stupidish question' that very well may become the >>> > > super expert of tomorrow. >>> > > >>> > > Being a true expert is ones field encompasses the difficult skill of >>> > > patience and the ability to transmit >>> > > knowledge to people 'slightly behind the power curve'. >>> > > >>> > > Java and the entire Java community benefits from working >>> > > as a team, experts and novices, for the benefit of >>> > > everyone, regardless on the current technical level. >>> > > >>> > > On the other hand, novices should try to read as much >>> > > documentation as possible and do their homework to >>> > > ease the work load (and frustration level) of their >>> > > more advanced counterparts. >>> > > >>> > > Finest Regards, Tim >>> > > >>> > > >-----Original Message----- >>> > > >From: A mailing list for discussion about Sun Microsystem's Java >>> Servlet >>> > > >API Technology. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >>> Nic >>> > > >Ferrier >>> > > >Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 7:51 AM >>> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > >Subject: Re: 2 Cents Worth: 2 solutions >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>>> Greg Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 25-Aug-00 9:21:51 AM >>> >>> > > >>I can think of two solutions: >>> > > >>1. everybody should search the archive before they post a >>> > > >>question. Newbie questions are only annoying when they get >>> > > >>repeated every day. (This is probably wishful thinking) >>> > > > >>> > > >>2. Sun should make a 2 lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > >>and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just give us the >>> > > >>opportunity to make self selection. This would only take someone >>> > > >>at Sun a few minutes to realize. >>> > > > >>> > > >Perhaps you should have checked the archives. >>> > > > >>> > > >Sun already have an adavanced-webapp list... and there is an >>> > > >advanced-servlets list at egroups.com >>> > > >([EMAIL PROTECTED]). >>> > > > >>> > > >Anyway... that doesn't solve the problem. The idiot posters would >>> > > >just all join the expert list because that is where the experts who >>> > > >can answer the questions are. >>> > > > >>> > > >The point is that some people think it's their *right* to >ask stupid >>> > > >questions and get an answer. >>> > > > >>> > > >I would say that's true, IF you pay for the priviledge, or at least >>> > > >if the person answering gets paid for having answered. >>> > > > >>> > > >We, the experts who answer questions here, don't get paid >>by Sun. Sun >>> > > >benefit directly from this list and our expertise. And yet Sun do >>> > > >nothing to make this list less troublesome. >>> > > > >>> > > >I'm getting pretty pissed off with that. >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >Nic >>> > > > >>> > > >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >>> > > __ >>> > > >To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in >>> the >>> > > body >>> > > >of the message "signoff SERVLET-INTEREST". >>> > > > >>> > > >Archives: >>http://archives.java.sun.com/archives/servlet->interest.html >>> > > >>>Resources: >>> >>http://java.sun.com/products/servlet/external-resources.html >>> > > >LISTSERV Help: http://www.lsoft.com/manuals/user/user.html >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >>__________________________________________________________________________ >>> > > _ >>> > > To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and >>include in the >>> > > body >>> > > of the message "signoff SERVLET-INTEREST". >>> > > >>> > > Archives: >http://archives.java.sun.com/archives/servlet->interest.html >>> > > >Resources: >>> >http://java.sun.com/products/servlet/external-resources.html >>> > > LISTSERV Help: http://www.lsoft.com/manuals/user/user.html >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tim Bass, Silk Road >>> http://www.silkroad.com/ >>> Tel: (703) 222-4243 Fax: (703) 222-7320 >>> "At the end of every answer there is a question. -Tim " >> >>__________________________________________________________________ >_________ >>To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include >in the body >>of the message "signoff SERVLET-INTEREST". >> >>Archives: http://archives.java.sun.com/archives/servlet-interest.html >>Resources: http://java.sun.com/products/servlet/external-resources.html >>LISTSERV Help: http://www.lsoft.com/manuals/user/user.html >> ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff SERVLET-INTEREST". 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