How about the performance issues? We thought that doing xml->html conversion
would take more time than printing html.
Another reason would be making the html ppl learn XSL. It is difficult to
get them to use CVS and if you tell XML + XSL -> HTML, they will start
having nightmares in their sleep :-).
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I generate a XML-document inside the servlet, as an Object yes. I then
use this object with the static XSL-document to generate the HTML which
is sent to the browser (request.getWriter()).
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> Fran: A mailing list for discussion about Sun Microsystem's Java Servlet
> API Technology. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]For Hubert Rabago
> Skickat: den 21 december 2000 19:28
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> Amne: Re: SV: when should I use servlet instead of jsp?
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> Do you create an actual XML document, or just the object holding
> the XML data?
> If you create the XML file, when does it get erased?
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> Matthias Carlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on
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> Subject: SV: when should I use servlet instead of jsp?
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> When I was using a servlet/jsp-solution to create web application some
> time ago I put all the code logic inside the servlets. The servlets then
> put the "data" they gathered inside some classes I wrote and then I added
> that
> class to the request object before redirecting to the JSPs.
>
> Nowadays I use XML/XSL to separate the code from the logic. The servlets
> gather the data and create the XML-document (DOM) and then use a static
> XSL-document to generate the HTML.
>
> I never really liked to use JSP, since I always ended up with (confusing)
> code in the HTML anyway. In the above example, you still ended up with
> lots of classInstance.getValue()-methods, like:
>
> <%! MyBean myBean = (MyBean)request.getAttribute("mybean"); %>
> <html>
> <head>
> <title> <%= myBean.getTitle() %> </title>
> </head>
> <body>
> Hello, <%= myBean.getUser() %>.
> </body>
> </html>
>
> etc.. (the actual JSP syntax might be wrong, haven't used it for a while).
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> > Fran: A mailing list for discussion about Sun Microsystem's Java Servlet
> > API Technology. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]For Jim Cheesman
> > Skickat: den 21 december 2000 09:19
> > Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Amne: Re: when should I use servlet instead of jsp?
> >
> >
> > At 17:52 20-12-00, you wrote:
> > >Hi List,
> > >
> > >It may sound stupid, but that is the nature of a newbie like me.
> > >I wonder if there is anything only can be accomplished by servlet.
> > >I know jsp is indeed servlet, but I just don't want putting HTML
> > >in my java code.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > IMHO the main difference is that jsp is focused on
> designers/presentation,
> > and that servlets should be focused on strictly server-side
> > issues - it's a
> > lot easier to add presentation logic to a jsp than to a servlet,
> > and it's a
> > lot easier to design a flexible, upgradeable, maintainable servlet.
> >
> >
> >
> > As an aside, how do people go about developing jsp's? My main
> process so
> > far has been:
> > 1. Think about what output I'm expecting
> > 2. Code a jsp with lots of java code inside to acheive this
> > 3. Check the output conforms
> > 4. Start removing code (refactoring, if you like) to tags
> > 5. Check again
> >
> > (I'm obviously ignoring the main system design here - the
> > serlvets/beans/db/etc. that supports the jsp.)
> >
> > The main problem with this (as I see it) would come in a situation where
> > the designer was distinct from the coder. For those of you in this
> > situtation, how do you get round this?
> >
> >
> > Happy Christmas (or insert your own favourite festival here) to all!
> >
> > Jim Cheesman
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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