> You've correctly summarized what I was getting at, and you've also correctly
> identified the drawbacks.
>
> It's useful to have that alternative on the table. And if the drawbacks are
> unacceptable then your proposal is justified.

check.

> Just out of curiosity, why do you need the list of users in the given role?
> After all, the authorization decisions will be made on a per-request basis
> depending on the currently authenticated user, based on the role of that
> user, and the servlet API will certainly furnish that information. The
> programmatic security in the servlet API exemplified by isUserInRole() is
> the fallback to declarative security, after all, designed for the situation
> that you find yourself in.
>
> Am I missing something?

just that i would like to present a list of users allowed to use the
webapp (e.g. in the mywebapp_user role) to the superuser so she can
grant them permissions without having to manually type in their
usernames. it's not a big deal, and there are at least a couple of ways
we can make an effort to populate that list (query jdbc/jndi, note the
existence of new users as they log in for the first time).

still, it seems that maybe the servlet api should offer this ability? i
also wonder if there should be a way for "trusted" webapps to add/remove
users and change their authentication and role information.

anyway, thanks for your thoughts and time.

- donald

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