Craig,

For what it is worth. . . . (FWIW?)

1.  No - I do not think this is off topic.  STN is a networking solution 
- and it is nice to have some background information on the network that 
is most likely to be connected to the STN box.  This is important 
information - that can help clear up confusion and perhaps solve 
someone's problem BEFORE it gets to this list.

2.  I think you are somewhere between 99.99999 and 100% right on the 
money. (I'd have to dust off those same books - or go raid the technet 
CD's!)

3.  Why does it take so long - As far as I can tell, there is a 
convoluted series of numbers - (possibly related to a fibbonocci series, 
on it's mother's side!), that I am not sure even Microsoft understands 
completely - the doc's get awfully fuzzy there....

For myself - I keep an NT4.0 server up 24/7 running both WINS and DNS 
(and, nice of M$) you can make M$'s WINS and DNS servers communicate 
their findings to each other - so my Linux/Unix boxes can use DNS to 
find NT boxes.

In my case - a particular instance of a machine -always- has the same 
name, (and in most cases, the same IP address), so there is less 
confusion.  (i.e. I might have some "test" hardware with removable HD's, 
one for this, one for that, one for Wintel, one for Linux, etc. each 
configuration on that box has a "standard" name I always use for that 
configuration.)

Also - about once a week (or two or three...) I take down the entire 
network and reboot everything.  Like a good vacuuming, it helps keep the 
"dust bunnies" (grin!) to a minimum.

Good post.

Jim

Craig Smith wrote:
> Hi gang
> 
>  Regarding Windows Networking (Again, kind of off topic)
>  A few (Ok, a lot) of words from my imperfect memory. 
> 
> In a windows networking environment there is a master browser and a 
> backup browser. A machine that is booted up will try to contact the 
> master browser and tell it that it is alive and well, every few minutes 
> after its booted, gradually dropping to every 15 or so minutes. If it 
> doesn't find a master browser then it becomes it. Then, Every 15 minutes 
> (Depending on time machine was last rebooted) the master browser updates 
> the backup browser with a list of all machines on a network. If there is 
> no backup browser then the master browser is both.  When you open 
> network neighborhood in windows, it pulls the list of computers on the 
> network from the backup browser. Now, that list can be up to 51 minutes 
> old (Where that number comes from I don't remember, something about the 
> copying of the lists), but if you can't contact the backup browser, you 
> pull it from a local cache on your machine. To complicate matters, any 
> machine on a network can be a master browser or backup browser, but if a 
> machine that is higher ranked than either of the current pair is turned 
> on, it will take over and boot the other ones down the line, Master 
> becomes backup, backup becomes  plain machine. For example a NT server 
> or Workstation machine vs a 95 or 98 box. 
> 
> 
> Overall, when you have mixed machines all over the network going up and 
> down  as your testing and rebooting and crashing, it creates total havok 
> on these lists, and information may not come through for days. There is 
> no solution, but some things can help.
> 
> - A pair of dedicated NT servers. (Or 2000 if you want), means that they 
> are   always up and running. Not practical in a home environment
> - 2 machines that have your most powerfully ranked OS running all the 
> time. 
>    OS rankings is something like WFWG, 95, 98, ME, NT Workstation, 2000 
>    Pro,     NT Server, 2000 Server, fill in any blanks where appropriate.
> - Turn off Master browser for all machines that are not supposed to be 
> doing it,    especially ones that are disconnected or rebooted a lot. In 
> the Control panel    under networking, change the properties for File 
> and Printer sharing, and turn    Browse Master to Disabled. 
> 
> In my home network there are several machines, my machine is 2000 
> Pro,its the master browser, there is a 98SE file server that does the 
> backup browser work, and various 95 and 98 clients, all of which have 
> the browse mastering disabled. This reduces the time for ghost machines 
> to stay in network neighboorhood to between 1 and about 20 minutes. 
> Which is not great, but better than waiting days. 
> 
> If anybody has any corrections to the above information, especially 
> concerning the ordering of what machine becomes browse master, please 
> step in and correct me, as this is all from memories, and they are 
> pretty stale. 
> 
> Also, if anybody wants more info, I can dust off some of my books and 
> pull some information. Your local library would love a visit as well. 
> :-) 
> 
> Fallox

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