On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 03:42:14PM +0200, Roland Mainz wrote:
> Nicolas Williams wrote:
> > Sysadmins can't be expected to, and shouldn't have to edit the local
> > machine files after every update/patch release.  This is crucial.
> > 
> > Look at other options.  We've offered some.
> 
> Both options included putting more stuff into /etc/skel/. In that case
> it may be better to revoke this case (PSARC 2007/233) instead of causing
> even _more_ /etc/skel/-related nightmares for the admins.

OR modify the relevant programs' defaults in the programs themselves.

> > > Erm, /etc/bash.bashrc and /etc/bash.bash_logout are _new_ files, only
> > > /etc/ksh.kshrc will be changed to set PS1 if not set yet.
> > 
> > You get to do this once, then after that you either replace customer
> > content or you don't install new content.  On Update.  On patch.  That's
> > just not nice.
> 
> Not on patch. Both "update" and "reinstall" is Ok since the admins are
> in charge of the machines and have to read the documentation and emails.

Update == patch.

> And from my experience the "updates" cause so much damange to
> installations that this little ToDo-item for the admins won't hurt.

This case won't help.  This case can't be predicated on Sun abandoning
updates.

> Updates are never working out of the box and manual adminstments are
> always required.

We want updates to work, so please don't make things worse.

> > > 3rd option: Rename old, put new one in it's location and send the admin
> > > an email.
> > 
> > Absolutely not.  Not on patch.  Not on update.  Send e-mail?!  That
> > won't fix the problem.
> 
> Both "update" and "reinstall" would IMHO be acceptable.

Disagree.

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