Cassie,

Thanks :)

Still working on the DB code, but it would be good to know from anyone else implementing in this area if the interfaces are the right approach (and help)
Ian



On 21 Apr 2008, at 13:22, Cassie wrote:
Ah, okay, I understand now. *sigh* I guess we will need to do it, huh?
Oh well, I suppose its only 2 classes vs 1, not too bad.
I see your bug and will take a look at the patch soon.

- Cassie


On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Ian Boston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If I use Cayenne to do the ORM, then it needs to have an integration point to the model its trying to implement. Cayenne uses class extension... all data objects must extend CayenneDataObject, so if the model is interfaces I can create pojos that work in the ORM and are usable in the services. If
they are classes, I cant.

I could use the pojos, and copy into them from the orm, but that would increase the volume of objects going through the JVM GC cycles and could eliminate potential optimizations (lazy load, caching, transactional caching
in the orm)

I could use another ORM that just uses Pojos, like hibernate, but that can be nasty since most of them generate really nasty SQL, and I have some bad
experiences.

or I could use JDBC direct, but when I saw the size of the object, I decided
it would be quicker to use an ORM.

The reason for Cayenne, is it creates good quality SQL joins that DBAs dont
go wild at.

If the service layer is almost pure interface, then the implementor is not
bound and there is clean separation. (I am leaving all Enums in the
interface, just enough to stop it being a class).

I agree with you on the AbstractGadgetData, although I can cope with that
one.

I could probably work with pojos and , but I think I would have to resort to
GCLib.... which is nasty.
Ian



On 20 Apr 2008, at 18:15, Cassie wrote:

Well... interfaces seem a lot more complicated then just pojos. Why would
a
pojo need to be an interface to begin with?

As for the AbstractGadgetData thing we really really need to get rid of
that
class, so that's a little bit of a separate issue. Ideally we would just
use
a java->json->java library which takes in any java object, and does not
require inheritance. What we have right now is a very good stop gap
solution.

So why do you need to change the default pojo implementation of a pojo?
Can
you simply extend Person.java to do what you need? Any details would
greatly
help us all make a good design decision together.

Thanks.

- Cassie


On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Ian Boston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I guess this is really a question for Cassie....

How receptive would you be to extracting interfaces from the model area
to
enable other implementation schemes.

eg
all the classes in org.apache.shindig.opensocial.model become interfaces the sample container provides an set of implementations bound to the
interfaces.

AbstractGadgetData implements a GadgetData interface and that is used
where
AbstractGadgetData is used.

I can provide a patch...


Ian







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