Back to the original matter now. I added Craig on the resolution and
didn't make other edits. I think it should be called "Project
Resolution" rather than "Graduation Resolution" but since it'd change
the url and only the content matters I didn't bother. I'm not a huge
fan of the fancy sentences either (I do not believe for a second that
legal language for some reason needs to be complicated) but I don't
think we have a lot of leeway in the matter and even if we did, it's
not worth the effort. While the resolution is not the same as a
mission statement, it includes a mission statement which is the only
part in it that matters to me and which we might want to expand on a
bit. Specifically the resolution says "The Apache Shiro Project be and
hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
project related to application security". Does that cover all and only
what the project and we are set to do? I don't have any exact
suggestions - it's a bit short but could do even as is. We could
though specifically limit our domain to "authentication and
authorization" - security as a whole is more than just those two
aspects.

Kalle


On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks Les, will review.
>
> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <[email protected]> wrote:
>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC.  Thanks for offering Craig!
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are correct.  Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
>>> settled.
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>
>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect, Oracle
>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:[email protected]
>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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