Bernie is correct, they are not the same head. I have build the SoooLong using exact same shaft that I pulled from a beta S450, it was not as long, and tended to fade quite a bit. Pulled the good shaft, put in less expensive senior shaft and sold it to a hacker that liked the way it looks and the name. You know what they say: one man's junk is another man's treasure. I was just glad to get rid of it.

George

Bernie Baymiller wrote:
Mike,

No, not to me it isn't the same. To my knowlege, most clubmakers have been
calling the black Super 450 the S450 since it was introduced...a year before
the blue-colored SoooLong 450. I think the Super 450 is conforming in 9° and
10°, the SoooLong is not. Better check it out if conformance is necessary.

Bernie
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S450 is the same as the so-looong 450 on their site?
Mike











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