Thanks to those who replied both on and off the list to my first question.

Upon reflection, I think I was attracted to the golf course shop for reasons
beyond the commercial potential.  As in, I could waste, er spend, my free
time on the range and putting green.  ;)

OK I have another question.  It's shorter, if not simpler.  Has anyone ever
figured out who their *typical* customer is?  In terms of handicap/ability,
experienced/inexperienced, looking to save money or for better fit, etc.  If
he had to buy off the rack, would he be a Titleist-Ping-Callaway guy or a
Northwestern guy?  Or maybe used clubs from eBay?  Is he a golf club nut who
is constantly on the make for a better club?

--
Doug Clark



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corey Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: What size town for a clubmaker


> OK, the cat is out of the bag, I'm an Audio Engineer, not a full time
> clubmaker.
> But,
> Being a part-time clubmaker who services two public courses and until
> recently stocked the pro shop for one of them, I can offer the following:
>
> Golfers show up at golf courses to play golf, not buy clubs. They will
> however, pick up an occasional club they may need if the price is right. I
> found that the clubs that sell out of the pro shop are the utility clubs
> and putters. And more putters. That's about it. The full sets of irons and
> drivers I sell are by word of mouth. Golfers, when walking into a retail
> golf shop, are there to look at and talk clubs.  I would look for the
> higher volume foot traffic with convenient parking and then make deals
with
> the local courses.
>
> CB
>
>
> AL Taylor wrote:
> >   Second, I would be a bit more positive on the GC location.  You also
> > have something to give a golf course.  On course repairs.  Of course
your
> > benefits are the fitting and sales of new custom clubs.  You may be able
> > to work a deal such as very low or no rent in exchange for doing the
> > repairs they drum up at a discount. etc etc.  (read, they make a profit
> > on your repairs)  Of course your particular skills will come in to play
> > also, but heck, talk is cheap and fun.  ;-))  Good luck.
> >
> >Al
> >
> >At 11:19 AM 9/13/2003, you wrote:
> >>Hello all,
> >>
> >>I am a hobbyist clubmaker with about 5 years experience.  I am
considering
> >>opening a retail shop.
> >>My question is, what would any of you say is a rule of thumb for the
size of
> >>a town/city/area needed to support one storefront clubmaking operation?
> >>
> >>I have a lot of retail business experience.  I sold my retail non-golf
> >>business and am now in semi-retirement, but I am wishing for more
contact
> >>with customers again.  I could probably start another non-golf business
and
> >>just keep my clubmaking as a hobby.  But talk is cheap and fun, so ....
> >>
> >>I am talking about a retail storefront, not my garage.   My midwestern
USA
> >>county is rural but on the expanding fringe of a large metro area.  We
are
> >>talking basic midwest, not Myrtle Beach or some other golf mecca.
> >>
> >>The total county population is probably, oh, 40,000.  There are no
> >>clubmaking retail shops in the county.  If there are any professional
> >>basement/garage shops, they are unknown to me.  My particular town is
> >>~6,000, and has about 20,000 (including the 6,000) within 15 minutes
drive.
> >>The biggest town in the county has 2 country clubs, about 20 minutes
from
> >>here, and each of those has an in-house club repair guy.  I don't gather
> >>that they get a lot of business from outside their members/golfers.
There
> >>are a few other courses in the area and out to a half-hour away, such as
> >>munis, daily fee 18's, 9-holers, etc.  I don't see any of them doing
> >>anything significant in clubmaking and repairs.
> >>
> >>It is possible, but I don't know how likely, that I could rent a
basically
> >>vacant building of approx. 500 sq feet that is on the grounds of a nice
18
> >>hole daily fee course.   They don't do much of anything, pro-shop wise.
> >>There is no club pro to speak of, although one does have an arrangement
to
> >>leave business cards and travels 45 minutes to the course to give
lessons by
> >>appointment.  I mean, in the clubhouse, they sell golf balls and caps
and
> >>such, no clubs!
> >>
> >>The building I could MAYBE rent, if the owner goes along with it, is
right
> >>by the first tee, practice green, and driving range.  I think it served
as a
> >>temporary proshop while the main building was under construction.  It's
a
> >>nice little building that looks to be a junk bin right now.  :)
> >>
> >>If there appears to be any merit to it, I'll have to get more training
and
> >>certification, plus more research on the business end of things.  But
for
> >>now:  What is your seat-of-the-pants opinion on whether or not this is a
big
> >>enough market to support a one-man retail storefront?  Or, does being on
the
> >>18 hole course trump all the other considerations?
> >>
> >>Thank you very much,
> >>
> >>Doug Clark
>
>

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