Jeremy
Yes, 5 CPM is that significant. We have had many cases that point to a frequency tolerance range of + or - 4 CPM to get the desired results. That is why when you repair a club by just replacing a standard shaft by the standard flex designations you can not guarantee they will play the same. The standard flex ranges are approximately 15 CPM wide. If the one shaft is at the bottom of the range and the other at the top of the range what can you expect. If the case I gave was between the ears his dispersion would have been worse because he really thought he needed a stiffer shaft. So, he would automatically start out questioning if it was the right shaft or not.
llhack
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Sent: 10/12/2005 4:33:59 PM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Wishon Short Driver Article
is 5 cpm really that significant or is it "Between the ears"
Lloyd Hackman wrote:
Tom
Why should I do it with length when selecting the proper frequency shaft
provides the best accuracy and distance and the player has already decided
to play with the longer club. The primary reason people have had trouble
with longer shafts in the past is because no one provided a way of matching
the shaft timing except by trial and error, which is not easy and lacks in
sufficient choices when using the standard A,L,R,S and X shafts. We have
been changing a lot of shafts in the R7's and callaway's and putting the
same length shaft back in but at a fitted frequency with great success. I
had one player a 5 handicap bring me a new Callaway driver and want me to
put a stiff shaft in it. He claimed he could not keep it in the fairway and
because the industry would tell him to go to a stiffer shaft or like you
would tell him to go to a shorter shaft, he brought me a stiffer shaft to
put in the club for him. I told him I don't do it that way because I was
not sure that the stiffer shaft was what he needed. I told him I preferred
to do a fitting and make a recommendation because when some one is changing
a shaft it should be to get the best they can get. I ended up recommending
a frequency 7 CPM lower and could only find a shaft at the time to put in
the club that made it 5 CPM lower then what he had, he decided to give it a
try. He called back two days later and said that he had played 18 holes
that day and never missed a fairway!!!
llhack
[Original Message]
From: Tom Wishon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ShopTalk@mail.msen.com>
Date: 10/12/2005 2:55:47 PM
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Wishon Short Driver Article
LLHack:
Fine Lloyd - you just keep on ignoring the simple fact that longer
length does not match well with golfer athletic ability and does result
in one heckuva lot of avg golfers having one heckuva lot of trouble
keeping the club under control and on a reasonably proper swing path and
plane. Better yet, why don't you do both? Do your chip thing to
satisfy your own beliefs but do it with a length definitely shorter than
45" for your golfers.
TOM
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Lloyd Hackman
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:44 AM
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Wishon Short Driver Article
I am sorry but the Wishon article starts right off with the wrong
premise.
He throws in the premise that the shorter the club the better the
accuracy.
He ignores the fact that the real parameter for accuracy is shaft
frequency. If you can match the proper shaft frequency to the players
swing
and get the shaft back to straight and square for him he will then have
the
best combo of distance and accuracy. Of course stiffening or shortening
the
shaft will improve accuracy just because you have restrained the shaft
from
flexing as much and the head moving with respect to the shaft as much.
Timing the shaft with the swing to get it back to straight and square is
the answer. Accuracy is the primary benefit that the player recognizes
when
I fit them. I do not have to change the driver length from what the
player
has ben playing but just select the proper shaft frequency to get the
shaft
back to straight and square. I personally play a 48" driver at my height
of
5' 10" and confound all of those I play with at how accurate I am. I am
hitting better then 85% of the fairways.
llhack
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <shoptalk@mail.msen.com>
Date: 10/12/2005 10:01:47 AM
Subject: ShopTalk: Wishon Short Driver Article
Found this great article from pga.com that Tom wrote on playing
shorter drivers.
http://www.pga.com/improve/tips/equipment/improve_wishon080304.cfm
What kind of experience have you guys have building 43-44" drivers?
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