FYI, "gimmees" or conceded putts/holes are perfectly legal in match play, and those rounds are required to be posted for handicap purposes. The handicap system has specific rules for match play and conceded putts/holes, stating that "the most likely score" is to be posted for any conceded hole. In other words, if someone concedes a one foot putt to you for a par, you record a par for handicap purposes (that would be the most likely score as you almost always make a one foot putt). However, if they concede the hole and you have a 25 footer, your most likely result would be 2 putts from that distance. Also, even if you win the match on hole 14, that score should be posted as well, and there are rules in place for how.
Tedd -----Original Message----- From: owner-shopt...@mail.msen.com [mailto:owner-shopt...@mail.msen.com] On Behalf Of Don M Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:10 AM To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009 Maybe he's talking about playing for real money, not funsie stuff among buddies. If I was playing for real money, I would not trust anyone's handicap either. At least not with the US handicapping system. -Don M --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Chris Stricker <golf...@charter.net> wrote: > From: Chris Stricker <golf...@charter.net> > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009 > To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com > Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 5:22 AM > > > > #yiv1424824497 DIV { > MARGIN:0px;} > > > > > Exactly why I don't > play for money. > Uptight low handicappers who think we're all > equal. > > ----- Original Message > ----- > From: > Robert > Devino > To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com > > Sent: Monday, August > 03, 2009 11:27 > PM > Subject: Re: > ShopTalk: Favorite Club for > 2009 > > > When > you play for money, you play straight up! None of > this handicap thing, > you ain't playing the horses now! > > Sincerely, > Robert Devino > 14252 Delano St. > Van Nuys, > Ca. 91401 > (818) 908-1691 > > > > > > > From: Tom > Flanagan <tflans...@hotmail.com> > To: shoptalk <shoptalk@mail.msen.com> > Sent: Monday, August > 3, 2009 1:29:49 > PM > Subject: RE: > ShopTalk: > Favorite Club for 2009 > > > #yiv1424824497 .hmmessage P > {margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv1424824497 > {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} > Hah! > > > One more thing that occurs to me. I absolutely hate > getting hooked up in > a tournament or in a money game, regardless of the size > of the bet, with a guy > whose handicap is calculated after a few rounds of > "in the leather", 2 o.b's > "gimme a double cuz that's all I can post, no > rooties no divots, toss it out > of a bunker cuz I can't play bunker shots". What > the hell kind of a handicap > can the guy possibly have. > > > In a "count 'em all" stroke play > tournament that guy is a goner, same > with match play. We have guys here sporting 10's and > 11's who can't break 90 > if you spot them 10m strokes. Vanity handicaps > galore. > > > TFlan > > > > From: kellc...@bellsouth.net > To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com > Subject: RE: > ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009 > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:53:56 > -0400 > > > #yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass .EC_shape {} > > #yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass p.EC_MsoNormal, > #yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass li.EC_MsoNormal, > #yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass div.EC_MsoNormal > {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times > New Roman', 'serif';color:black;}#yiv1424824497 > .ExternalClass a:link, #yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass > span.EC_MsoHyperlink > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1424824497 > .ExternalClass a:visited, #yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass > span.EC_MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1424824497 > .ExternalClass p > {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times > New Roman', 'serif';color:black;}#yiv1424824497 > .ExternalClass pre > {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Courier > New';color:black;}#yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass > span.EC_HTMLPreformattedChar {font-family:'Consolas', > 'serif';color:black;}#yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass > span.EC_EmailStyle20 {font-family:'Calibri', > 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;}#yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass > .EC_MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv1424824497 > _filtered {}#yiv1424824497 .ExternalClass div.EC_Section1 > {} > > > Personally > I have no problem with casual or recreational golf – in > fact, playing in > preferred lies events, whether club or league sponsored, > can be a lot of > fun. > > I > do have a BIG problem with people who can’t form 2 > golf-related sentences > without including their latest handicap, all the while > playing with these > casual rules. Saying you play to a ‘USGA’ 5 (or > whatever) while ‘rolling > it on the fairway’ or playing ‘in the > leather’ is probably the biggest > lie in golf. > > > > From: > owner-shopt...@mail.msen.com > [mailto:owner-shopt...@mail.msen.com] On > Behalf Of Tom and Donna > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:31 > AM > To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: > Favorite Club for 2009 > > Exactly what I am talking > about! Thanks Tom for > the reply! > TM > > Tom Flanagan wrote: > "Recreational golf" is > > exactly that. Willie Nelson replied, when asked what par > is on his own golf > course "hell, par is whatever I want it to be". > Tournament, or "serious" golf > is one thing, but when a group of guys who play together > regularly want to > allow preferred lies, 20 clubs, illegal balls or bent > rules, how does that > affect anyone else? It's their game. > > We have some "illegal" > tournaments here, as do most every club at which I've > been a member; > "Selective Drives", string tournaments, > pari-mutual betting, calcuttas, > mandatory skins, "mulligans" - the list is > long. Take a look at the large > number of tournament formats that are played and > sponsored by golf > organizations. If you've never played in one > you're missing some fun times. > > > I certainly don't approve of cheating - I've been > rules chairman, > tournament chairman, handicap chairman, president and > other offices in a few > golf clubs and have always supported the rules. However, > having said that, > what groups of friends do among themselves during a round > of golf has > absolutely nothing to do with me, or anyone else for that > matter. > > > TFlan > > > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 05:28:31 -0500 > > From: > tdmas...@earthlink.net > > To: > ShopTalk@mail.msen.com > > > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Favorite Club for 2009 > > > > As a clubmaker > and fitter I seldom post on the forum. I am also a player > > > that enjoys > the game rather it is played by the rules of St. Andrews > or > > a > Saturday morning round of laughter, competition, or a > pocket change > > > gambling, it is still golf. Recently some of the senior > players at our > > > club decided to it was time to abide by the gospel of > St. Andrews. > Gone > > are the days of gimmes, best ball, inside the rubber, > and just > plain > > fun. All at once, without notice to the membership, > three or > four > > players, decide that Scottish Rule will rule the game > in ALL > play > > regardless of times passed. What was once an exercise > in > relaxation has > > become an iron fisted restriction on fun and > companionship. > > > > With that said I totally agree and support > the rules of golf in every > > way when it comes to tournament play. The > rules were established so > > that the game could retain its integrity > through time and sustain its > > social following. However there is still > room on the course for the > > guys that load up on beer and disturb > players two fairways away. It is > > a game and it will always be just a > game so why not let there be room > > for just a good time. Tournament > play is different and should be > > treated that way. The rules of golf > are simple, just like another set > > of rules for living, not to many to > learn, not to many to follow. The > > problem is that folks try every way > imaginable to bend them for their > > own purpose. Just watch a player on > TV try to get away with ball > > placement during a tournament. > > > > > There are very few postings on this forum that I > don't read. I save > the > > ones that I can learn from and even pass on to others > the lessons > I > > learn from. Keep up the postings gentlemen, you are my > > teacher. > > > > Tom Mason > > > > Marcello Franchi > wrote: > > > Tom, > > > If my email sent a message like I was in > any way offended by your > > > statements, it was away from my intent > and I apologize for that. > > > English is not my mother tongue, and > probably the tone of my email > > > came out harder than I > wanted. > > > > > > Sorry for that and ciao, > > > > Marcello > > > > -- > > Shoptalk ** Sponsored by the new Aldila > Voodoo. > > Learn more at http://aldilavoodoo.com/ > > > > Get your vacation photos on your > phone! 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