Hello,
At 00:26 06-12-2015, Chris Lewis wrote:
I don't see how that matters.
Also, as others have remarked, legal/regulatory log access is
out-of-scope for the IETF (a legal/regulatory issue not a technical
one), so how could RFC7258 mention it? Out of scope is out of
scope, whether the provider wants to include it or not.
The topic of pervasive surveillance did not gather much interest
prior to a few months before RFC 7258 was published.
I'll also note that the second page of RFC7258 specifically states:
"The motivation for PM can range from non-targeted nation-state
surveillance, to legal but privacy-unfriendly purposes by commercial
enterprises, to illegal actions by criminals."
Ok.
IOW: if this is about pervasive monitoring (perpass), you can't
leave out 2/3rds of the actors (and far more than 2/3rds of the
demonstrated risk) and expect to have any useful validity.
By limiting us to the actors who don't care about headers, knowing
you can't include log access in whether you want to or not, this WG
is completely without a purpose. Or was that your point? ;-)
The proposed charter does not mention mail logs. I mentioned
pervasive monitoring as there were news articles about email metadata
being captured. Looking at this in terms of the text in the proposed
charter, it is about what is in the mail headers being transmitted
during a SMTP session. The comment [1] which I sent was about
that. I am was not limiting that to one or more entities who might
be able to collect that information on an international scale or an
entity which could collect that on a national scale.
I was not trying to make a point about the proposed working group
being completely without purpose if log access was out of
scope. There were three questions in my initial email to this
mailing list. Ned provided some input about the Received header
field question [2]. I read his comments about the draft which is
mentioned in the proposed charter; the comments were informative.
Regards,
-sm
1. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/shutup/current/msg00146.html
2. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/shutup/current/msg00149.html
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