Chris,

On Nov 7, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Christopher Morrow <morrowc.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> there isn't data in bgp today data which tells you 'this path is a
> leak'. Even at the immediately-leaked-to peer there isn't data in the
> message that's helpful for this problem.

Why isn't the above considered putting the cart in front of the horse?  Namely, 
there is this (seemingly) hard requirement that all information must be 
self-contained within BGP -- even though the above acknowledges that we CANNOT 
get this information out from BGP.  Shouldn't that suggest there is a pretty 
fundamental problem here wrt the current definition of the problem?

What's even more perplexing is the WG seems to accept that it's OK to accept 
substantial complexity in creating, exchanging, validating information using an 
"out-of-band" certificate repository system (RPKI) ... which is OK to be used 
for Origin Validation by BGP, but for some reason ... BGPSEC is saying that it 
cannot depend on external information sources for Path Validation (other than 
per-router/per-AS certs).  Something really does not add up on where lines 
appear to be arbitrarily drawn here.

-shane
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