Hi,

We have brokered a transfer of legacy space from the APNIC region to a buyer in 
the APNIC region.
As part of the process, the seller was allowed to pay a partial fee to 
temporarily attain member status.
I think it was processed under APNIC policy for the transfer of historical 
resources.
http://www.apnic.net/publications/media-library/documents/resource-guidelines/historical-transfer

However they did it, APNIC did vet the seller as the owner of the address 
rights before the transfer was completed, as mentioned in step 2 on the page 
above.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Mike Burns
IPTrading.com

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  Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [sig-policy] Policy Regarding Transfers of Legacy Space


  Good questions Owen.




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  On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> wrote:

    Argh.  Cell phone autocorrected me into the opposite of my intent. 




    Legacy should be NO different. Requirements for legacy should be identical. 


    The problem with allowing non-contracted parties to be the source of a 
transfer becomes one of how you verify or authenticate said party and what your 
recourse is in the event of fraud. 


    What if person Q pretends to be authorized to sell block X which is legacy 
to organization Z, but it later turns out that organization Z doesn't know Q 
and there's no contract between anyone except APNIC and the transfer recipient 
R?


    Does R sue Q? X? Z? APNIC? Or all of the above? What happens to R? What 
happens to Z? What happens to the registry records when this comes to light?


    Owen



    On Feb 25, 2014, at 14:18, Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> wrote:


      Legacy should be different. 


      Owen



      On Feb 25, 2014, at 14:07, Skeeve Stevens <ske...@eintellegonetworks.com> 
wrote:


        Hi All,


        I've been contacted by a holder of some small (not relevant) legacy 
space who was inquiring about selling it.


        But, they are not an APNIC member (or a Non-Member).


        Referring to: 
http://www.apnic.net/publications/media-library/documents/membership/non-member-fees#Historical
 under 1.4, it talks about receiving transfers, but not making transfers.


        Any thoughts?



        ...Skeeve


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