Hello all,

I agreed that APNIC should accept all transfer without question because IP 
resource could be count into a assets to the IP holder in accounting. That's 
mean the ip holder have the right to request transfer to or from other APNIC 
members or other RIR.

Ernest Tse

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> David Hilario <d.hila...@laruscloudservice.net> 於 2017年2月24日 22:04 寫道:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Aftab,
> 
> This is only to simplify things, need based policies are there to protect the 
> free pool from exhaustion and ensure fair distribution.
> 
> Space that is already out there can already be transferred without much 
> hassle, removing the need base justification just simplifies the whole 
> process, making the transfer faster and smoother.
> 
> 
> David Hilario
> 
> IP Manager
> 
> Larus Cloud Service Limited
> 
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> e: d.hila...@laruscloudservice.net
> 
> 
>> On 22 February 2017 at 10:04, Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddi...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Thanks Guangliang for the update.
>> 
>> Hi David, what are we trying to fix?
>> 
>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 at 14:13 Guangliang Pan <g...@apnic.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Aftab,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> We don't have a case that rejected because the recipient could not 
>>> demonstrate need. However, during the evaluation process, APNIC Hostmasters 
>>> often ask for more support documents before approve large transfers.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Guangliang
>>> 
>>> ==========
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Aftab Siddiqui [mailto:aftab.siddi...@gmail.com] 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2017 12:23 AM
>>> To: David Hilario; Guangliang Pan
>>> Cc: sig-pol...@apnic.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-118-v001: No need policy in APNIC region
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Hi Guangliang,
>>> 
>>> Do you have any stats on rejection rate due to weak requirement 
>>> justifications? 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 at 18:34 David Hilario 
>>> <d.hila...@laruscloudservice.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Benny,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thank you for asking for clarifications. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> This proposal is for any transfer, within in or out of region.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The need based part is only needed to match any registry requiring a need 
>>> based justification, this can be another RIR or even an NIR.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> David Hilario
>>> 
>>> IP Manager
>>> 
>>> Larus Cloud Service Limited
>>> 
>>> p: +852 29888918  m: +359 89 764 1784
>>> f: +852 29888068
>>> a: Flat B5, 11/F, TML Tower, No.3 Hoi Shing Road, Tsuen Wan, HKSAR
>>> w: laruscloudservice.net/uk  
>>> e: d.hila...@laruscloudservice.net
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 21 February 2017 at 05:38, Guangliang Pan  <g...@apnic.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear David,
>>> 
>>>    
>>> 
>>> From implementation point of view, I would like to double check if the 
>>> following proposal will also apply to transfers within the APNIC region.
>>> 
>>>    
>>> 
>>>     - APNIC shall accept all transfers of Internet number resources to its
>>> 
>>>        service region, provided that they comply with the policies relating
>>> 
>>>        to transfers within its service region.
>>> 
>>>    
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Guangliang Pan (Benny)
>>> 
>>> Registration Services Manager, APNIC
>>> 
>>> Email: g...@apnic.net
>>> 
>>> SIP: g...@voip.apnic.net
>>> 
>>> Phone: +61 7 3858 3188
>>> 
>>> http://www.apnic.net
>>> 
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> visit: www.apnic.net/helpdesk
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: sig-policy-boun...@lists.apnic.net 
>>> [mailto:sig-policy-boun...@lists.apnic.net] On Behalf Of David Hilario
>>> Sent: Friday, 17 February 2017 12:17 AM
>>> To: sig-pol...@apnic.net
>>> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-118-v001: No need policy in APNIC region
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Dear list,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> We are only a few days away from the meeting in Saigon.
>>> 
>>> There has been no opposition to the policy, but only very little support as 
>>> well.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> As the proposer of this policy I would like to know if there is interest in 
>>> streamlining the policy a bit in order to make transfers between two 
>>> regions more compatible, it is really more of a small patch the way I see 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Any opposition to it is very much welcome too, only the "positive" sides 
>>> were really investigated and I would gladly hear any opposition to it as 
>>> well as any support.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> David Hilario
>>> 
>>> IP Manager
>>> 
>>> Larus Cloud Service Limited
>>> 
>>> p: +852 29888918  m: +359 89 764 1784
>>> f: +852 29888068
>>> a: Flat B5, 11/F, TML Tower, No.3 Hoi Shing Road, Tsuen Wan, HKSAR
>>> w: laruscloudservice.net/uk  
>>> e: d.hila...@laruscloudservice.net
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
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>>> --
>>> 
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Aftab A. Siddiqui
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Best Wishes,
>> 
>> Aftab A. Siddiqui
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