On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 02:27:21AM -0500, Andrew Gaul wrote:
 
> I suspect that Mike is running GNOME or KDE as well as X, which is
> causing his system to thrash.  The effects are exaggerated by the slow
> laptop hard drive.  Can you launch X and send the output of "ps au" to
> the list?  You will want to drop the desktop and try just a window
> manager; I recommend wm2 as it is lightweight and gives you additional
> vertical area by moving the title bar from the top to the side.
 
i'm with doc--skip the window manager entirely, and just exec what you
need.  tho exec'ing a GUI web browser these days is a little scary since
it's rather likely to crash (even my favorite, opera, crashes at least
once a week.  at least it has an excuse with 5+ pages open at any time
unlike my netscape sessions that were rather singletasking...) and then
you have to start from scratch with starting X as well.

but definitely, ditch gnome or kde if you are running them.  ditch the
dock in WindowMaker (and esp its contained applets).  ditch the xclock,
the xeyes, the xscreensaver server running in the background (not visibly,
just waiting for idle to start the graphics), any kind of fluff.  it all
eats ram.
a process listing from both outside and inside of X would be useful for
us to help you trim things down.


> A properly configured system with 16 mbytes should be able to run an
> older web browser such as Navigator 4 at a reasonable speed.

or even better, navigator 3, galeon, phoenix (something lightweight, and
netscape has been on a bulk-up diet since it began).


> If you
> have sufficient network bandwidth, you can run a graphical web browser
> remotely via X to access sites that require Javascript.

he can't get to the network without a js capable browser;  utnet
authenticates you on public ports thru a web page that i guess requires
javascript :(


> > as to a text-based javascript-capable browser, i don't know of any.
> > lynx didn't do it as of a year ago (last time i updated), the other
> > two worth talking about a year ago were 'links' and 'w3m', so you
> > might investigate them.
> 
> w3m has partial support for Javascript, although it was limited as of
> this summer.  It also has full support for images inside an xterm.

i couldn't get the copy in /p on the cs machines to even handle a simple
form that is js-submitted.  is it up to date or would you be interested
in updating it since you seem to own it? =)
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