Elias' and Richard's points are the justification elements/tools around the
negotiation - but ultimately its about getting enough people happy for the
deal to consummate. A recent "mature services business" deal was around 3x
ebit. That's a win-win in this financial climate.

In order to not give the wrong impression: this business had signicant
revenues and the services were "productized" - A shop with a billable-hours
programmers are unlikely see anything as good as this unless they have some
IP of strategic value to the buyer.


On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Richard Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> A quick and dirty valuation = Sales in three years = Future Value
>
> Present Value = FV  less discount
>
> A reasonable rate should be between Year 3 Sales x .125 up to Year 3
> Sales x .343
>
> Based upon 35% to 50%  discount rate.
>
> On Jun 8, 2:24 pm, Elias Bizannes <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Value can be determined by forecasting cashlows and the growth rate,
> > as well as comparing similar businesses to triangulate the value.
> >
> > Value more specifically can be identified by:
> > - contracts that can be transfered
> > - relationships that can be leveraged
> > - brand
> > - tangiable assets
> >
> > It's hard to value intangiable assets and goodwill objectively (hence
> > why the accounting standards don't recognise them unless you actually
> > paid cash to acquire a business). But like any other business, it's
> > fundamental valuation comes from the  cashlows.
> >
> > So the question is: how much money can this business generate? And how
> > much of it can be done (or only done) with the current staff of the
> > business. If you can work that out, you've got half a Discounted
> > Cashflow Model (a tool used to value companies).
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 08/06/2009, at 2:01 PM, Mick Liubinskas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Any thoughts on valuation ranges for services based businesses?
> >
> > > x-y times revenue?
> >
> > > w-v times ebit?
>
> Richard Hayes
> Carbon Free Solutions
> 0414 618 425
> >
>

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