>From a performance and scalability perspective, you might also want to look
at these:
http://www.jtict.com/blog/rails-wicket-grails-play-lift-jsp/
http://blog.nelsonsilva.eu/2010/12/14/go-vs-scala-vs-nodejs

Note that these were individual tests and YMMV.

Cheers,

Nigel

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Nigel Sheridan-Smith <[email protected]>wrote:

> Hi Simran,
>
> These days things are moving more towards dynamic languages, because they
> save time and effort during development.
>
> Groovy and Grails is a favourite - a major time saver - it does JSON and
> XML out of the box and is designed with the REST paradigm in mind. Grails
> is similar to Ruby on Rails which is regularly used by many startups.
> Groovy compiles to a Java EE WAR so hosting is easy and performance is good.
>
> Frameworks such as Django on Python are quite popular amongst startups,
> although I have not done much Python myself.
>
> Scala is a great replacement for Java and its statically typed, some
> functional language capabilities and has inbuilt concurrency as well.
>
> Node.js is gaining popularity - its Javascript on the server using the
> Google V8 engine. Its basically asynchronous programming (great
> scalability) and plugs into NoSQL databases very easily. Currently, though,
> there is no stable ORM framework for traditional RDBMS databases. You can
> also use CoffeeScript as a "nicer" Javascript language. Node.js has a whole
> series of plug-ins that make development easier (e.g. 'markup' for
> shorthand HTML and CSS).
>
> You should also look at graphical user interface toolkits such as Vaadin,
> Zk, and GWT for RIA interfaces (e.g. like traditional desktop applications).
>
> I think the trick is to pick one that suits you (language, framework,
> APIs) and stick to that as much as possible. Also, you need to consider how
> you will find other developers with the same skill sets.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nigel
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:04 PM, simran <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>> A friend of mine who owns a design company in sydney is looking at
>> getting deeper into the value chain.
>>
>> It is currently a small startup firm (just grew from 3-7 in the last 4
>> weeks though) - and they use a lot of wordpress for putting up sites.
>>
>> He is interested in moving up the value chain into a little bit of
>> development... most design jobs he has done are in the $0-10k range, but is
>> also interested in taking on development work in the $10-$30k range, so
>> it's not building your next site that will get a billion visitors, but
>> sites with some custom functionality and reasonable usership!
>>
>> There is some PHP knowledge inhouse as a result of the use of wordpress.
>>
>> He asked me for recommendations on what he should use as a framework to
>> start some development - and i said i'd ask the startup community on what
>> they are using and what is popular... so here goes...
>>
>> *What frameworks are people using out there? and maybe a one line
>> pro/con? *
>>
>> I'm from the perl era, and would have ordinarily recommended perl /
>> mod_perl / postgres / Template Toolkit and the likes, but that's my bias
>> based on familiarity... i'm sure there are easier more rapid development
>> frameworks out there (perhaps some ruby on rails?)
>>
>> Love to hear from you on what you use, what you would recommend and how
>> you find it?
>>
>> simran.
>>
>> ps: traditionally i am personally biased against PHP/ASP type stuff
>> because it makes it "too easy" to mix business and presentation logic!
>>
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