Here is some more CS thoughts/theories from Bill Schenker from his posts at http://y2k.entrewave.com
--- Date: March 24, 1998 01:57 PM Author: Bill Schenker ([email protected]) Subject: March 24 update 3/24/98 C.S. Update This was going to be the final report on the progress of our c.s. research, but it will have to be an interim report --- I'll be away fr my computer for the next svl weeks, so this will have to do for a while. We've divided the research up into looking at LVDC gennies: anything from 27 volts to 180 volts DC --- and HVAC gennies: those from 10,000 to 15,000 volts AC. There's some fairly conclusive info that can be given out re the LVDC units at this time. The results on the HVAC units r still not clear enuf to make reco's at this time. Accordingly here's the picture on LVDC now. U can successfully generate effective c.s. using any voltage DC, from 6 on up to whatever u want. Practically speaking, the upper limit is somewhere around 120. Why? Because that's what u can get by simply grabbing household current out of an ordinary wall socket and running it thru what's called a full-wave bridge. Then u connect the output of that bridge to yr silver wires dunked in supermarket bought distilled water, and away u go. This will produce relatively strong (maybe 10ppm) c.s. in about an hour's time. The downside to this setup is, unless u r VERY careful, and know yr way around electronic/electric circuits --- u can very easily end all yr post-y2k problems in 1 swell foop -- by electrocuting yourself. Besides which u won't have anything coming out of those wall sockets after 1/1/Oh!Oh! At the other end of the possibilities u can use yr 3 little 9-volt batteries to give u 27volts. Trouble with that is u have to run yr genny for maybe 3 hours to get a decently strong c.s. output. But u say, "Mark Metcalf's device does it in 5 to 10 minutes, no probLEMo." Problem: Mark's instructions tell u to add svl drops of his diluted salt solution to get his system going --- and that puts out a product that measures only 3 1/2 ppm on a 6-minute run (See next paragraph for other problems.) Plus, it's got that sodium chloride in there also, which when mixed with silver gives you silver chloride. The effect of ingesting that is not really known at this time. Another of Mark's reco's is, if u want to radically increase the concentration, just heat up the liquid before u turn on the current. Following that advice I routinely heated up my water to 150 degrees and based on Mark's statement, I figured I was producing 500PPM!!! Well, when measured with our meters, it turns out that all u get is the same concentration as when u run the batch at room temperature. So much for honest advertising. Another aspect of Mark's genny is that when I ran it for 30 minutes hoping to get a higher conc. of c.s., I got the same as running it at 5 to 10 minutes. So, is there any way we can improve on Mark's system, i.e., get a high concentration without contaminating the results using salt as a "starter?" Yes, there are several effective modifications and upgrades: 1) For the electrodes, instead of using a 6" wire use a 12" wire. (A good source for inexpensive #14 gage wire is: Freshmans, Inc., 801-521-6327.) Then bend the 12" wire on itself so that you have two parallel 6" wires with a closed loop at one end. Then bend that closed loop on itself 1" from its end. You then hang this over the lip of your glass jar, with the short 1" section on the outside. U connect your alligator clip to that loop. Then go thru the same procedure with another 12" wire. When u r finished u have 2 electrodes dunked into your distilled water, but each of those electrodes has double the surface area. That speeds up the generation of the c.s. To speed it up even further, bend each pair of wires so that they are fairly close to each other at the bottom ends, maybe 3/4" apart from each other. That further reduces the resistance to current flow and speeds up the process. 2) Now just forget about adding the salt solution --- throw it away. 3) Connect yr batteries to each of the 2 loops and u r on yr way. U will notice after maybe 1/2 to 1 hour that some cloudy stuff starts appearing around the positive electrode -- and black, Christmas-tree-branch-like stuff around the negative electrode. The cloudy stuff around the positive pole may start out whitish, but soon it'll be coming off a MUDDY color. Mark says that's a sign u've gone too long & u should start over. He's wrong again! Keep going, but every 10 to 20 minutes or so, using a plastic spoon , gently stir the liquid betw the two pairs of wires. What can start happening is u get a bridging of some of the silver produced that spans the two poles and short circuits your genny. That will quickly run your batteries down. So stirring the liquid breaks up those bridges. 4) Keep going for maybe a total of 2 hours. (U can go to 3 hours for a stronger c.s.) Your batteries won't last a year the way they will using Mark's original setup --- my guess is they'll last a month if u r making stuff once a week. Should u be making it that often? See later for a discussion of that issue. 5) When finished with yr run clean yr electrodes the way Mark says to, with the Skotchbrite®. 6) Then either filter the liquid using coffeemaker filters, or else let the stuff stand overnite, & then "decant" off the top layer, carefully avoiding stirring up the precipitated "sludge" on the bottom. BTW, if u don't store it in an amber bottle, then store it inside a light tight box of some type (I use a cardboard packing box.) 7) What u will notice within a day is a distinct clear, golden color appearing. If u wait another day, the golden color will probably intensify further. Then u can dispense it to whomever in yr family needs it. How long will it last? We think for months, but don't know for sure yet. 8) When should u use the stuff, how much at a time, and for how often? There are many different opinions on this. Here's what I've decided to do: a) I don't take it UNTIL I HAVE A SPECIFIC COMPLAINT, OR THERE IS AN EPIDEMIC GOING ON AROUND ME. Why? Because there is some evidence that the COLLOIDAL SILVER CAN ACCUMULATE IN YOUR TISSUES, ESPECIALLY IF YOU TAKE TOO HIGH A CONCENTRATION FOR TOO LONG A TIME. What is too high and what is too long? We don't know yet. Now if this accumulation does in fact happen, is it bad, or at least, is it all bad? We don't know. So lacking certain knowledge I'm operating on the assumption that I will restrict my intake to a relatively high concentration (say, 10ppm on up to 15 or 20ppm, depending on what kind of electrodes I use, and for how long I "cook" the water), for a relatively short period of time (i.e., until my symptoms clear up) when I am confronted with an actual infectious condition that I think warrants treatment. This includes things like skin infections (boils, etc.), styes, sinus infections, urinary tract infections, infectious diarrhea, bronchitis, tonsillitis, or ear infections, as examples. Will I use it for a viral URI (Upper Respiratory Infection), commonly known as "a cold?" Well, I haven't had much luck with them & c.s., but my wife & others have had good results with colds. Will I use it for obvious Asian Flu? No, doesn't seem to have a good track record for that. What dosage will I use? I will take an ounce or so, every other day, until better. Why not every day? Because there is evidence that the c.s. dose remains active at a high level for at least several days in between doses. Can anything REALLY BAD happen if I continue to take 10 to 20ppm every other day forever? We don't know. However, in bygone generations, when silver product was being sold that was manufactured in a faulty manner (e.g., mechanically grinding it up, or chemically producing it, or combining it with other chemicals) there were definitely documented cases of Argyria (Gums and skin turns --permanently -- blue.) and also damage to internal organs and peripheral nerve tissue. Will silver manufactured by our modern, electrolytic method as designed by Robert Beck, & modified by us also expose us to that danger? I'm hoping it will not. But I don't KNOW. So I choose not to take that chance. Therefore, I am not one of those people who will take a swig of c.s. every day for the rest of my life "just to keep my immune system in good shape." Are there ANY situations where I will take c.s. prophylactically, i.e., before I get sick? Yes, if there's an epidemic of any kind going around (including Asian Flu --- even tho it doesn't seem to help once u come down with it, it might prevent it taking hold if u start ahead of time.) There are some cases recorded in the past where people have accidentally ingested highly toxic (super large) doses of silver (industrial accidents, etc.) Upon recovering some of them report that ever since, they no longer come down with colds or other common infectious diseases. Has the silver stored itself permanently somewhere in these peoples' bodies? That's a reasonable assumption, isn't it? I wouldn't go out of my way to try that one on purpose -- in case any of u r thinking along those lines. It certainly gives credence to the opinion that silver tends to accumulate, and is not rapidly excreted by the body. The jury is still out on this one, but until it returns a verdict, again, I say, I will not be taking c.s. on a routine, prophylactic basis. Finally, are there any other strategies we can use to jack up the concentration and/or reduce the generation time, or avoid reliance on 9-volt batteries (which will go the way of the Dodo bird comes y2k?) Well there are if u want to go the trouble, as I have: 1) Buy a stainless steel pitcher (in one of those gourmet kitchen shops.) Doesn't matter what thickness of s.s. stock it's made of. I bought a 12oz size. I think u can also get them in 16oz size. I use it for my NEGATIVE electrode (attaching the alligator clip from the BLACK battery wire to the handle of the pitcher.) If u get mixed up, and use the pitcher as your positive electrode, you will be producing a POISONOUS colloid, from the ingredients of the stainless steel --- BEWARE!!! 2) Next I use for the POSITIVE electrode a one troy oz silver bar (buy them in a good coin shop.) They measure about 1" x 2" x 1/16" thick. Now u'll have to figure out a way to suspend that bar in the middle of the pitcher. I used the top of a 2-liter Coke bottle --- sawed it off about 5" from the top, & ran a heavy copper wire with attached alligator clip down the middle of the bottle cap, & then held it in place with heavy packing tape. Make sure u adjust the height of the alligator clip so that the clip DOES NOT TOUCH THE SURFACE OF THE WATER --- otherwise u'll be producing colloids of the clip's shiny coating --- if that happens to contain cadmium -- it's a highly toxic POISON. I think a better way to suspend the clip attached to the silver bar is to get some 1/16" or thereabouts thick clear plastic sheet & cut a disk maybe 5 inches in diameter out of it. Then drill a hole thru the center that's just wide enuf to hold the alligator clip at the right distance from the water. U want to use clear plastic stock so u can see what's going on inside the liquid --- watching for the muddy cloud developing, and using yr plastic spoon to break up any bridges building. I set the positive electrode up so that about 1/4" of the silver bar is protruding above the water's surface. 3) Finally u can make 1 more modification to yr c.s. genny. This will be essential after the power grid goes down post-y2k. Buy 2 small PV (Photovoltaic) panels, with a 12volt DC output when running at least 50Ma current. I've found the best buy for that is from Damark, 1-800-827-6767. This is their Preferred Buyers' Club number. (If u join u get 10% off on everything.) I don't know what their regular 800 # is. The item u want is #B-20391-518997, the 1.8 watt PV panel. They cost $30 a piece. Hook the 2 up in series (pos to neg) and u will have 24v output in bright sunshine with enuf current to drive yr genny just fine. Just make sure to let no shadow fall on any part of either panel while it is being used --- otherwise u can burn the panel out. A nice thing about these panels is that when u r not generating c.s., which won't be very often anyway, u've got panels which u can use to charge up all kinds of rechargeable nicads (or better yet, Nickel Metal Hydrides.) If u don't have plenty of those small batteries around post-y2k u'd better get used to a strictly pre-1850 living style. Well, this is the March update. When I get back "on the air," sometime mid-April, hope to have some news to report on the HVAC scene. My computer will be down until then. If there are questions in the interim, maybe Kent Trembly can answer them. Colloidally yours, Bill --- Addendum I'm down here in rebel country visiting folks in Stoutville, when I thought it would be a good idea to remind people of something mentioned way back in the beginning of the c.s. threads: IF A PERSON IS ALLERGIC TO SILVER (GETS A RASH UNDERNEATH SILVER JEWELRY) ----- AVOID USING COLLOIDAL SILVER, ESPECIALLY INTERNALLY, BUT TOPICALLY ALSO!!!! Am learning to talk like these natives in Tennessee --- I have a little pocket translator I carry around with me. Bill -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
