>This was on the immune list and as you can see below you can get it if you >can use real audio at the site below. I can't(noFPU) so I have included >part of the transcript which is hugely long for you so see if you want me >to forward it to you please contact me off list. It doesn't mention CS >but combining anti virals with antibiotics and that is pretty much what CS >is doing in a different manner. Very interesting info on the biology of >this stuff that would be good in ou arsenal of information. Also mentions >supportive therapy.
Blessings, Susan >>Hi Everyone, >> This is a transcript of the radio show that aired yesterday >>with Dr. Garth Nicolson. You can also hear this show with RealAudio >>at the address http://www.cfsaudio.4biz.net >> >>----------------------------------------------------- >> CFS Radio Show >> Jan 4th, 1998 >> Dr. Roger G. Mazlen, Host >> with >> Dr. Garth Nicolson >> >>Dr. Mazlen >>We are going to have with us, today, Dr. Garth >>L. Nicolson. He's the Chief Scientific Officer >>of the Institute for Molecular Medicine in >>Huntington Beach, California and as well, he >>is the Professor of Internal Medicine at the >>University of Texas Medical School at Houston. >>He's going to be talking to us about something >>very important for the 90's, the new emerging >>infectious disease, which is mycoplasma infection. >>And we're going to go right now to Dr. Nicolson. >>Dr. Nicolson, welcome to our show today. >> >>Dr. Nicolson >>Well, it's a pleasure to be on. >> >>Dr. Mazlen >>We're going to let you start off and maybe define >>for our audience, what this organism, the mycoplasma >>is about. >> >>Dr. Nicolson >>The reason that this is important to patients with >>Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or Fibromyalgia Syndrome >>or Gulf War Illness is that we found that 50 - 60% >>of the patients that have these syndromes have >>infections, chronic infections that are the >>underlying cause of a lot of their morbidity or >>their illness and the evidence for that is >>that we can find these micro-organisms deep >>inside the white blood cells in the blood and >>they're systemic. They go to all the tissues of >>the body and all the organs of the body and >>they cause all these complex signs and symptoms >>that occur all over the body and we know them >>collectively as these names like Chronic Fatigue >>Syndrome or Fibromyalgia Syndrome, but the >>important thing is that once we can identify >>if these chronic infections are there, a patient >>can be treated. We have patients that have been >>sick with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or Fibromyalgia >>Syndrome for decades and they have not really >>received an adequate diagnosis. Yes, we know >>they had the syndrome but we didn't know what the >>underlying cause of the syndrome was. Well, one >>of the underlying causes of the syndrome is, we >>feel, are these chronic infections and once they >>can be identified these patients can be treated. >>And we have patients that are now recovering >>after years of illness. They're getting their >>health back. It's a slow process of recovery >>but they are recovering. They are going back >>to work, they're going back to a normal life >>again. And I think that's the good news is >>for a large number of people. We can actually help >>them recover from this disease. >> >>Dr. Mazlen >>Well, that's very exciting news and we are delighted >>to have you say that here on this show. It offers >>hope to a lot of these people. What type of illnesses >>or syndromes are associated with mycoplasma >>infection? >> >>Dr. Nicolson >>Well, mycoplasma first are a very simple subclass >>of bacteria. They don't have a rigid cell wall >>like most bacteria and they have usually less >>genetic information inside them and because of >>that they have to grow associated with cells >>in the case the mycoplasma that invades, for >>example, mammals or us, and either they have to >>grow associated with the cells or inside the cells >>in our tissues. So they really don't do well >>outside the body. They're not viruses because >>they have the ability to self-replicate but >>they're very fastidious, that is, they require >>a lot of metabolites themselves. So these >>types of infections have to be associated >>very closely with cells or tissues and when they >>get in the body they can penetrate, many of them, >>into virtually any tissue or cell. Now there are >>about 50 different types of mycoplasma so we >>concentrate only on about 6 and these are the 6 >>that are known to cause human diseases and these >>6 are very interesting, because in the case of >>a very specialized type of illness, like Gulf >>War Illness, we find principally one species >>of mycoplasma and you have to realize the >>Gulf War Illness started in 1991 and a lot >>of people came home. Now we have over a >>100,000 veterans of Desert Storm that are sick >>and if you count their family members it's >>probably double that, so these diseases are >>contagious, although they're not wildly contagious, >>they can be passed at a very slow rate between >>members of the same family is the usual way >>it's passed. People that have close contact. >>It requires close contact to pass these types >>of illnesses because they're not very invasive >>in terms of infectivity. But once they're passed >>to another patient, that patient will slowly >>start to have the signs and symptoms that we >>see in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia, >>Gulf War Illness. It often starts with a low >>grade fever or flu-like condition in the lungs, >>because they're airborne, that's how they're passed, >>and this doesn't resolve very easily. It sort >>of becomes chronic and so instead of completely >>resolving it goes into a chronic phase and >>then all the other signs and symptoms like >>joint pain, reduced mobility, chronic fatigue, >>vision problems, cognitive problems, muscle >>spasms and burning, then all these other >>different 20 to 40 different signs and symptoms, >>one by one, tend to come on very slowly. And >>in fact, if you look at Chronic Fatigue Syndrome >>or Fibromyalgia, most people that have had these >>illnesses have had them for years and they have >>a very slow onset so they have a long phase >>in which this chronic condition slowly becomes >>worse and worse and worse. Now, in some cases >>it resolves, but in most cases, most patients >>it does not resolve. And it is there and there >>is really no real effective treatment that will >>eliminate it completely. There are treatments >>that will shelf some of the signs and symptoms, >>but none that really eliminate all of the >>signs and symptoms, so what we have found is >>that if these chronic infections are the underlying >>reasons and there could be many reasons that >>people have these chronic illnesses, if they're >>chronic infections that are involved, once these >>are identified, then we can prescribe the correct >>antibiotics to treat them and it's a slow process >>but people can recover. >> >>Dr. Mazlen >>We're going to come back and talk about treatment >>in a little while. I want to mention that >>information with regard to your institute can >>be obtained through your website, www.immed.org. >> Light is Living in Gods Holy Thoughts!
