At 10:57 AM 6/15/2007 -0400, you wrote:
Frank Key informed me in no uncertain terms that I am not a person of
science and that my understanding is bogus, and I don't know what I'm
talking about, blah, blah, blah. Maybe that is not rude in your book, but
it is in mine. I am a Customer for pete's sake. The guy needs a serious
attitude adjustment. I have his email which I printed out and which I do
not intend to forward. I am fully acquainted with his website.
On the other hand, one of the people at Natural-immunogenics talked to me
for over an hour, answering my every question and discussing every aspect
of their lab and their product. The spokesperson could not have been
nicer. That is a world of difference, my friend. And if you want an
informative website, check out Natural-immugenoics.
That's nice, but Nat Imm is deceptive, warps the science and the use of
language like no bodies bidness to make you believe you are seeing and
getting things that don't exist. [Good product, profound distortions
selling it ]
If you want a DIS-informative website, check out Natural-immugenoics.
If you think that's wonderful, Frank is correct...you DON'T know what you
are talking about.
That's not a "sin", so, so what?
But, was it "Frank" that said so?
If you called "Colloids for Life", you called a distributor, not the
manufacturer. So, did you talk to "Frank"...or someone else?
Ergo, do you know what you are talking about on ANY score?
It's highly possible that a "distributor" also doesn't know much and used
rudeness as a defense. NOT uncommon.
Colloids For Life, LLC [????]
10343 N. Federal Blvd. Unit J#128
Westminster, CO 80260
Purest Colloids, Inc. [Frank]
600 Highland Drive, Suite 602
Westampton, NJ 08060
It's not likely that you can call Colorado and talk to a guy that lives in
New Jersey.
I've never known Frank to be rude. Maybe he isn't "nice".
I wouldn't know, I'm not sensitive and appreciate *straight to the
point* even if it makes me wrong.
Being wrong isn't a sin, it's an opportunity.
Some people are just "offendees" no matter what anyone says, if it
isn't what they want to hear.
I HAVE known the "other guy" to play manipulation games and look for
recruits [ myself ] to play them with him.
I'll go with not "nice" over a pleasant prevaricator any day.
I sit the fence on the *Ion vs Colloid* issue.
I see no reason that both wouldn't work and neither hurts anything.
One might be better for some applications and the other better for other
applications.
I have no way of telling whether or not Meso-silver is exactly what Frank
says it is as he's very secretive about his process, but it's obvious that
the Natural Immunogenics silver ISN'T exactly what THAT guy says it is and
uses processes that CAN'T do what he says they do and DON'T show what he
says they show in order to prove it. [and he knows better. He isn't stupid
or ignorant, he's a salesman and salesmen are "nice" to every customers
face. It's a requirement for the job. ]
Calling a cat a dog and proving it with pictures of flying elephants
taken two oxidation states over, doesn't prove donkeys have claws by
playing word games with detailed technicalities using mixed languages.
Natural Immunogenics silver is very good stuff, but it's not "special" and
no number of barking sales cats will *make* it special.
Now go look at American Biotech ASAP silver. Exact same stuff, different
meowing sales elephants wearing pigs ears...distortion and distraction
taken to an ART of mislead to make a sale.
No, we didn't exactly "lie" we lead you down a language path of belief that
you will follow all on your own in an effort to make the illogical make
sense and the disconnected connect. [We know how people think, most people
don't...and don't know that they don't. FACT ]
You "bought" it, it works, we make some bucks...no harm done. Right?
But had you known what you were REALLY looking at [vs what you were lead to
believe you were seeing] , you could have done the same thing, or close
enough to it to make zero difference, for a 10th -1000th the cost.
Examples of barking sales cats:
" More doctors recommend this pill over all others combined " [ Any doctor
that recommends combining all other pills should be shot]
"Would you [a man] take the same vitamin pills as a woman??" [ Maybe,
maybe not.... but I'm not getting a sex change to find out. ]
Dennis Lee bends a Sears and Roebuck torque wrench into a pretzel to prove
how much horsepower a steam engine has. Ohhhh Ahhh !!, goes the
impressionable audience eager to invest in a brand new "old hat", not
knowing there is a big difference.
ode
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ode Coyote" <odecoy...@alltel.net>
To: <silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question
The guy that "makes" Meso Silver [Frank Key ] isn't rude and has one
of the most valuable info sites about CS going.
www.silver-colloids.com
Although the ionic silver solution made by Steven Quinto, sold by Natural
Immunogenics is very good, it's not different from home made in any
significant way.
The TEM [Transmission Electron Microscope] images presented to show
particle size are a mis-representation of the product and others imaged,
used to compare that product to, are easily manipulated to look bad in
the TEM sample preparation process.
It doesn't show particles as they are in the water and Ions aren't
particles except by a technicality being used to confuse the consumer.
A TEM cannot image Silver Ions.
At 97% ionic, it would not look like a dense field of specks on film,
it would be hard to actually find a particle at all.
Ode
At 03:05 PM 6/14/2007 -0400, you wrote:
I ordered Meso Silver and it arrived in a plastic bottle. Every CS I've
ever seen has been in glass. I contacted Colloids for life about it and
they told me how stupid I am, and that they are scientists and I am not
a scientist. I told them that in that case they should perhaps sell
only to other scientists.
I returned the unopened product and got my money back.
I am more impressed with Natural Immunogenics. They have a beautiful
lab in Florida. And they are nice to talk to on the phone too. Very
polite and helpful. For a closer look: http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ode Coyote" <odecoy...@alltel.net>
To: <silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question
At 08:39 AM 6/12/2007 -0700, you wrote:
What is the collective scoop on the products from www.Colloidsforlife.com
rated? I'm interested in finding out about both their gold and the silver
as a friend of mine with Lyme Disease just ordered both.
They're selling Meso Silver/Gold, Frank Keys baby.
No one knows what it is except mostly particulate..a true colloid.
Sposed to be good stuff.
What about Water
Oz products?
Was....Very high PPM Silver Citrate.
Might work just fine but be real careful about total amounts
used. There have been a few blue people who used too much.
http://www.silvermedicine.org/silver-citrate.html
Ode
Thanks for any info.
SMax
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