There is no significant difference between factual relativities in their own context. S Quinto makes it *look like* there is a difference by warping definitions and contexts. He uses TEM photos to show two entirely different things to try and prove that the same things are different.

The photos used to display "particle sizes" show silver oxides made by the drying process require to use a TEM, NOT what's in the bottle. It's the "way" a sample is dried that makes the resulting oxide particles smaller, NOT "what" was dried.

 A TEM cannot detect an ion in a solution.
Ions can't exist without the liquid. [with a few irrelevant exceptions pertaining to other ions in other environments that don't often include air or water]
 A TEM can't see anything, at all ..in a liquid.
Even if it could, with the field of view it has, "finding" a particle when the concentration of particles is only 3% would be a matter of sheer luck. Photos of mostly particles cannot represent the liquid containing mostly -not particles-. 97% substance is not the same as 97% space.


Argentyn 23 tests out at 97% ionic.
"Puppy" samples tested out at ~85% ionic but can be much higher. A laser gives you a clue. [Less of a beam at a given PPM = higher dissolved ionic to colloidal particulate ratio. A meter only gives you an indication of the the *ionic* PPM content ]

Ions are ions, are ions.
Silver Oxide particles made by drying silver ions to put them on a slide a TEM can use, are NOT " silver particles" or even Silver Oxide particles....in a bottle. If they were, that bottle of water would appear quite brown to black and a meter not register anything relevant to "silver" at all.

Those who have used both say they cannot tell the difference. [But don't say *how* they looked at them either.] I Assume that the instruments used were eyeballs and taste buds, possibly laser pointer and meter.

This from Frank Key...he knows his science. [But.... no one but Frank knows what Meso-Silver is nor do I see mentioned the range of what silver *particles* are "considered" to actually be......certainly not ...all ...."metallic" silver in every case, but that's the only case I see mentioned. ]

In other words: What Franks says is accurate and not deceptive, but he doesn't say ....everything....allowing the reader to reach a conclusion about a product that may or may not be accurate. What Steven says is clearly mis-leading, if not entirely "technically" untrue...if you maintain that mixing technicalities is not lying. [like legalese, the language of intentionally warped meanings used to avoid "lying" by letting the reader determine where the subject of a discussion shifted contexts while pointing to cleverly placed possibilities designed to point in the wrong direction. ]

" 9 out of 10 doctors recommend THIS pill over all others combined" [That one doctor who recommended combining all other pills.... killed the patient. NONE of the patients should have listened to ANY of the recommendations. *Technically*, the dead guy committed suicide by way of ignorance and the living were just lucky. The statement says nothing about any pills. It speaks of doctors and recommendations. ]

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html

   * Ionic Silver Solutions

The vast majority of products labeled and sold as colloidal silver fall into this category due to the low degree of manufacturing complexity and resulting low cost of production. The silver content in these products consists of both <http://silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html#silver.ion>silver ions and <http://silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html#silver.particles>silver particles. Typically, 90% of the silver content is in the form of <http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html#ionic.silver>ionic silver and the remaining 10% of the silver content is in the form of silver particles. The silver ions are produced by electrolysis and may be described as dissolved silver. Products produced by electrolysis are frequently described as "electro colloids". Because the majority of the silver content in these products is dissolved silver rather than metallic silver particles, it would be more technically accurate to describe these products as silver solutions.

Confusingly, ads for these products frequently claim that silver ions are small silver particles or describe the product as consisting of ionic silver particles. Silver ions are not the same as silver particles and the two terms are not interchangeable. Ionic silver is also referred to as monatomic silver and silver hydrosol by some producers who choose not to describe their products using the scientifically correct terminology. These are marketing terms used to hide the truth that what is being sold is an ionic silver solution. For more details read <http://silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutIonic.html>About Ionic Silver.


http://silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutIonic.html
http://silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html

Ode



At 02:17 PM 8/13/2007 -0500, you wrote:

Hi everyone. Does anyone here know if there is any significant difference between
Argentyn 23 and what we would make at home with a Silver Puppy generator?

Thanks.  Jodi
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