Hi there Malcolm
I reckon I have been here long enough now to speek freely of my ideas and/or
opinions and will accept some correction where required.
The following are the conclusions I have come to over time and
research...however, nothing is set in stone you understand, this is just my
attempt at speaking freely, and my considered opinion.
Colour:....most researched articles state that clear is optimum, which
signifies ions of silver are plentiful with particulate silver present but
of far lesser percentage by ratio. These particles would still, however, be
easily bi-available in my opinion. Using simple electro methods, as most
do, it would be impossible to achieve a totally ionic silver solution
anyway, there will always be a percentage of particles present in a clear
solution.
Size, and we will assume the current is 'ideal' here for the purpose of
explantion:.....this is a different story to me now as when the colour
changes so the particulate silver content increases, (ions will also), which
gives rise to the TE, hence my question relating to colour in my OP and ppm
of these varying colours. My experience has been that although I can get
clear 99% of the time there will be one time that I may get colour. The
colour variations to me would dictate, not 'indicate' but dictate, either
particle size or proliferation, or both, in fact to me it would have to be
both because in some cases it may take 48 or 72 hours, maybe even longer
perhaps for solution to stabilise. Example...if solution is clear or just a
very, very pale yellow then particles are still small enough, (in my
opinion), to be bio-available if TE is only slightly observable. Now if the
colour is a deeper yellow then there are still particles of suitable size to
be bio-available to me, but because some of the ions in solution have
agglomerated to form more particles then some of the resultant larger
particles would then not be bio-available due to there increase in size.
There would still be plenty of ions and particles available, and in more
profusion in the yellow CS, and still bio-available, but some of the
particles would now be too large to be bio-available and would most probably
be passed through the body.
Stay with me here Malcolm. Having said the above, if the solution gets into
a colour, (hence my question regarding colours again as I don't know where
'pink-ish' fits in the colour range), and let's say the colour now is...I
don't know, grey or something like that, then this is where the particles
are of large enough size to enter the skin tissue and agglomerate with the
ions already present which gives rise to this turning 'blue' business, and
what doesn't get caught in the skin tissue with the ions will be passed out
via the normal bodily elimination processes. I am not in the slightest
concerned with this 'blue' thing either by the way, as that is only for
idiots who know nothing about CS anyway so don't think this is a concern of
mine. I am only trying to explain the colour thing and where the colour
will start to display undesirable outcomes, (again my OP regarding colour,
so I know myself where the 'line' is which must not be crossed). If you
like I can explain better by saying that resistors have 'colour' bands so I
want to know the 'colour', or 'ppm' bands with CS.
I am not that concerned even if the colour happens to go 'golden', anything
else is of concern to me hence my OP about colours.
I know CS as produced in the home is not a 'science' but it would be handy
to know what the 'estimated' ppm is for any given colour, I''ll even accept
a wild guess at the moment, the rest regarding particle size and potential
'side effects' etc, is common sense. I know what colour I DON'T want for my
purpose and anything over a rich yellow I don't particularly desire, again,
for my purpose.
I've re-read this a dozen times Malcolm, and I can see sense to what it is I
am trying to say, I just hope you can! <g>
OH, and I use my magnetic stirrer at all times also, would not be without it
now, in fact I have made three more for the family.
Neville.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Malcolm" <s...@asis.com>
To: <silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: CS>EICS colour?
Hi Neville,
Color is not an indication of ppm or strength, it is an indication of
the particle Size in your brew. Yellow is indicative of a particle size
that absorbs the violet component of light (rather short wavelength,
hence moderately small particle size.) NO color - "water clear" - is
the best, and attention to the purity of the water and employing a
current of less than 1 milliamp per square inch of the active silver
electrode in your water is a common rule of thumb, though I find 100
microamps per, to work well for me. I also try to keep the electrodes
clean which seems to make great difference for my brew, and reversing
current between the electrodes every so often, perhaps every five or
ten minutes when I don't get distracted <g>. Stirring, and using cool,
65 - 70 Fahrenheit water seem to help also.
take care, Malcolm
On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 12:17 +0930, Neville wrote:
Hi All,
Yep, I'm back! Assume everything has settled down so I thought I
could come out of hiding...joking of course...<g>
Perhaps someone could give me the colour ranges of LVDC CS, starting
with clear and progressing through the colour changes after that?
Except 'black', don't bother with 'black' as I'm never going to go
that far. My research states 'yellow' is always the first colour
which becomes apparent when producing colloids. I have researched
some information but prefer a personal appraisal.
I am using Pure Water at the moment as the supermarket I usually get
my Distilled Water from is closed for refurbishment. Can't say I'm
happy with Pure Water though, even though I got it from the
chemist 'cos this is what they use in making up medications so I
figured it should be pretty much the best that is available for the
man, oops, and woman in the street. I have never had colour changes
using DW in the past but with this PW the colours I have got
are...clear, yellow and 'pink-ish'. I have been starting to add a
quantity of previous batches of CS also and believe this could be the
reason for the colour changes, even though I use the same method of
production and time frame, (don't ask me why though, and I am aware of
'seeding' the water). I don't usually add previous CS as a 'seed', I
just use the water straight out of the bottle. The ambient
temperatures are starting to increase here due to seasonal change so
the reason could be simply that, but somehow I doubt it. Every other
time I have made CS in the past it has always been clear, hovering
around the 10-15ppm, (give and take depending on what ppm I decide I
want at the time), so have decided to stick with Distilled, I
definitely won't consider Demineralised.
These results are the reason for my question about colour changes.
Enn...dem...err...preferably under 1000 words? <g>
Just simple colour changes will suffice. A 'concensus of opinion'
regarding the ppm of each colour would also be helpful, so I can do a
comparison with my meter tested results. If your ppm results is with
the use of the Com 100 TDS/EC/TEMP meter or Hanna TDS 1 'ppm...?'
meter, perhaps you could include that also so I know what meter to
use, (I have both), OH, and I will need to know what setting the Comm
meter is set on. I also know about the use of meters in testing 'ppm'
when they are basically only conductivity meters but if I use the same
setting as you then I will be far better able to make my comparisons.
Information I have states the Com 100 meter should be set to either
EC/KCl or Nacl for colloidal silver. Don't bother with water
temperature as I haven't checked my water temperatures before/or
during production anyway, I'll just 'read between the lines' so to
speak, it's only to give me a fairly good idea that's all, to narrow
down the 'guesswork' without laboratory testing, (cash and the lack
thereof).
You see, I know that there are several of you here that have been
'into' CS for quite some time so thought I would ask you 'straight
up'. This way I will know 'straight from the horses mouth' so to
speak, and it can be considered more 'trusted and reliable'.
Neville.
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