I had downloaded and read the interview with Greg Kunin, and had taken a look at the issue of cyanocobalamin vs. hydroxycobalamin (hydroxycobalamin and not methylcobalamin is used in the product). Yes, hydroxycobalamin may be slightly better than cyanocobalamin but I read the following at http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=3466 where a doctor using B-12 to counter CFS makes the following observation: "Two forms of B-12 are available to consumers: cyanocobalamin and hydroxycobalamin. Of the two, I have always preferred cyanocobalamin because it is less likely to cause adverse reactions and stings much less than hydroxycobalamin when injected." ... and relative to the cyanocobalamin/cyanide toxic vitamin claim: "Toxicity and adverse effects
Toxicity or "poisoning" from cyanocobalamin, a form of B-12 that is combined with very small amounts of cyanide, has been the major cause of patient concern about high-dose B-12 therapy. I have not encountered any evidence of cyanide toxicity. The amount of cyanide administered is so minuscule that it affords wide margin of safety even at doses of 15,000 mcg per week. Although this dose may seem inordinately large, medical textbooks have long recommended doses of 1000 mcg per day (or 7000 mcg per week) for the treatment of nerve problems due to B-12 deficiency. The only exception is in individuals with kidney failure. In patients with normal B-12 levels and intact kidney function, excess cyanide and B-12 are simply excreted through the urine." It appears to me that the cyanide issue is highly exaggerated. Additionally, the metholation claimed for the product comes mainly from the addition of trimethylglycine (TMG) to the vitamin mixture. A comment from the interview with Greg Kunin: "I think I mentioned to you in the past, one of the neat things that happen when you take our product - of course a lot of complexing occurs. It's a very reactive solution as it mixes and complexes with the solution. Our vitamin C for example, becomes a buffered form of vitamin C. The trimethylglycine as it gives off its first methyl donor group; it has another donor group to give off after that. The TMG goes through a transformation and becomes dimethylglycine, so you're getting the best of both worlds." So the methlalation is provided by methyl donor groups from the TMG and not by any special processing of the individual vitamins . You can buy and take TMG with your vitamins and get the same effect. I agree with you on the magnesium. I think that magnesium citrate is better than magnesium oxide but you can get magnesium citrate as USP too. USP is more of a processing quality rating than a rating of the supplement itself. I look at it as similar to the UL rating on an electrical product. It doesn't mean that the product is any good (or bad). Only that it meets some specific safety rating. I didn't mention any of this in the earlier post since you seemed only concerned relative to the Pancreatin you had purchased and not B-12. - Steve N ________________________________ From: Dee Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:50 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>USP measurement Thanks for that Steve, although they mention cyanocobalamin which I know is not as good as methylcobalamin so that would bear it out a bit I suppose. I also know that magnesium oxide is not so easily assimilated as magnesium citrate, so I suppose it is feasible. The product I have is a enzyme product which is a bit worrying as Dr Wong also mentioned this criteria. Thanks again. Dee -------Original Message------- From: Norton, Steve <mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com> Date: 05/06/2009 15:46:55 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>USP measurement Dee, I haven't really researched this but I would warn you that I do not think that Natural News is always an unbiased source. In this case they are pushing the need for methylated vitamins and discuss an interview with Greg Kunin, co-founder of Ola Loa. If you visit the Ola Loa Products site you will see the comment: "Driven by science not by fads, Ola Loa Products are formulated by nutrition pioneer Richard Kunin, M.D., one of the founders of Antioxidant Therapy. Fifty years of research has led Dr. Kunin to his breakthrough discovery that Methylation is the key to better health, and goes beyond antioxidants. Ola Loa is the world's only product to provide this critical methylation support." I tend to be skeptical of health news sources that are also the only supplier of the technology. And I would not ne surprised if Natural News had a financial tie-in with Ola Loa Products (paid for article = advertising?). I can't say that methylation isn't better but it does not mean that USP is bad IMO. - Steve N ________________________________ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
