Hi, James.

hmmmm... You present some very good information.  Now that I think about it,
I've "known" for some time that drinking a lot of distilled water will leach
the minerals out of your body.  I "learned" this somewhere years ago when I
bought a distiller and starting drinking that exclusively.  We started
supplementing with colloidal minerals to compensate.  And, if I remember right,
the coils on the distiller are stainless.  Have to check that out...

So, I agree with you, and, in the absence of additional info to the contrary, I
would stay away from copper...

Dale

James Osbourne, Holmes wrote:

> HI Dale,
>
> I do not have a cite handy regarding the leaching of copper by very pure
> water.  It is one of those things that I learned a long time ago.
>
> One has to be careful though, about thoughtlessly accepting anything that
> "everyone knows is true", because a lot of the time everyone is wrong.
>
> My initial source was the installation details for a distilled water
> distribution system for home use.  It specifically forbid copper tubing.
>
> Having never done it, I do not know what volume of  distilled water will
> have to pass through copper  tubing of a specific wall thickness before it
> makes a hole.  Based on my experience with electrolysis caused by a small
> DC current passing through copper, ---a similar condition--- a pinhole
> could open in a few months, possibly in less than a year.   Even if
> mechanical failure is not a serious problem, I would be concerned about the
> amount of copper consumed.  Copper is used a germicidal agent; it is quite
> effective against fungi.
> Germicides kill living cells.
>
> The water used in water distribution systems usually has relatively high
> concentrations of dissolved solids when compared with distilled water, and
> the dissolved substances---often calcium and magnesium carbonate---balances
> the charges of the small amount of water which ionizes in distilled water.
>
> Perhaps one of the pro chemists on the list will comment on the details of
> this process.
>
> You may be able to find a table in a chemical reference book such as
> Langes's Handbook of Chemistry, or the CRC Handbook listing  the solubility
> of various elements.  I think the action takes place because the
> disassociated water is much more reactive ---lacking some small amount of
> ionized dissolved substance in the water to balance  H+ and -OH.
>
> Try calling a company which manufacturers small stills for domestic use.
>  One such is: Waterwise 1 (800) 874-9028.
>
> If you do dig up a solid reference, I would very much appreciate a copy of
> it or a pointer to the source.
>
> James Osbourne, Holmes
>
> a...@trail.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   Dale Gillilan [SMTP:positivechanges.hypno...@gte.net]
> Sent:   Tuesday, August 17, 1999 7:22 PM
> To:     a...@trail.com; 'silver-list@eskimo.com'
> Subject:        Copper tubing for distillers
>
> How do they get away with using it as the standard for household
> plumbing for both hot and cold water?
>
> Why do you say the tubing will develop holes?  I've never seen that
> happen.
>
> You may be right about the leaching of copper, but I would like to see
> some references supporting that position.
>
> I agree with your comments about stainless.
>
> Dale
>
> >Do not use copper in a water distillation system so that it comes into
> >contact with pure water vapor or liquid.  The copper will go into
> solution
> >and in high concentrations is toxic.  Also, so much copper is lost that
> the
> >system will soon develop holes.  Water and steam will come out the
> holes.
> >
> >Short term use, as sometimes necessary at sea, may not be harmful, but
> one
> >would have to do the math to make sure.
> >
> >Stainless steel tubing is a much better choice, preferably surgical
> grade.
> >
> >James Osbourne, Holmes
> >
> >a...@trail.com


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