Re: CSspectrographs of CS >> I am astonished to find anyone can get down to 0.3uS. The best I >> have seen is 0.5uS, and that is from the local Walmart.
> I use high powered rare earth magnets in the double distillation > process. How does that work. There are no ions in distillation, therefore nothing for the magnets to exert a force against. I see no need for magnets. Simple double or triple distillation is all that is needed to reach those levels. But they are simply not needed in a well-designed cs process, like the SilverCell process. >> However, none of us use this anymore. For LVDC,the thing we are >> worried about is CO2, which forms carbonic acid. This will >> quickly raise your 0.3uS to 1.5uS or so. > Having an actual closed production system takes care of this > problem, although again not very necessary for a simple generator. A closed system will have no effect on the electrolysis reactions at the anode and cathode. They are under water and have no connection with the properties above the surface of the water. >> Silver does not oxidize. Search google for "silver does not >> oxidize", and you will get over 8,000 hits. Here are some: > Here we'll have to agree to disagree for the moment. The point is > rather mute anyway. > For example: > "The equilibrium electrode potential of silver is +0.799 V. This > value is only 0.01 V more negative than the equilibrium potential > of an oxygen electrode in natural environments. Then by definition > silver is not regarded as a noble metal, because it can still be > thermodynamically oxidised by atmospheric oxygen at normal > temperatures. > At standard temperatures and pressures (STP), the thermodynamical > equilibrium of > 4 Ag + O2 - 2 AgO -from the ESA Journal, 1989 Is this your equation, 4 Ag + O2 --> 2 AgO ? You need to get a different reference. That equation is not balanced. I really need to teach you a small amount of basic chemistry. I plan on doing that in my Yahoo forum. Also, silver oxide is Ag2O, not AgO > I can also show you some journal publications with TEM's of silver > oxide configurations which must have occured with some relatively > simple reactions. Frank debunked TEM's long ago. How about 2001? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CS>the last on TEM images Frank Key Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:38:57 -0800 TEM observation of non-ionic solutions are widely accepted. However, when highly ionic solutions are the subject of observation, compound formation so alters the observation that the results are meaningless (in my opinion). I have explained why the formation of compounds during the sample preparation becomes significant. My explanations and rational are clearly stated on my web site in the FAQ and Definition of Terms as they have been in these list postings. Clearly you reject this because of your vested interest in your TEM. I feel that further discussion on this subject is beating a dead horse. Let the readers who are interested weigh the evidence and decide for them selves. frank key http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list(at)eskimo.com/msg35685.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In this case, he is absolutely correct. The particles that show up in TEM images are created when the solution is dried. They do not exist in the original solution. > I've never questioned my common understanding of the oxidation > process involving silver, as I use ozone and activated oxygen with > silver all of the time. I can pretty much prove by physical > evidence some very simple reactions. There is nothing you can do to the atmosphere above the solution that will affect the reactions in the Nernst Diffusion layer next to the electrodes. They are under water and completely isolated, the same as a submarine is not affected by hurricanes when it is submerged. > That said, I'll take a look your alternate viewpoint when I get > the chance... I always question everything, and I love being > proved wrong. I have no interest or value in proving anyone wrong. What I seek is usable, workable solutions that can take me to the next step in understanding what is going on in a process. > there's a big thrill in improving the accuracy and depth > perception of knowledge. > However, I don't see that the point is that relative to anything > regarding a basic generator, anyway. In these things, every detail counts. A single error can prove that a very elegant theory is completely wrong. So we must pay attention to every detail and prove it is correct. Otherwise we start to get sloppy, like some members of this forum, and can only pray that everything will come out right. Prayer does not work in quantum events. >>> The electrode configuration does affect the performance. I hope >>> to clarify this soon when I get the SilverCell web page up and >>> running. > That might be one of your bigger issues. If people purchase > standard silver electrodes from somewhere like ccsilver.com, they > may not be able to bend them into shape successfully without > "tearing them up" with pliars or some such tool. No need. The silver is readily available from suppliers like MonsterSlayer and many others. The only acids are nitric. We do not have enough in our body. >> Frank is dead wrong in this. Ions kill pathogens in vitro. >> Particles do not. > As I stated in an earlier email, work done at UCLA demonstrated > conclusively that only the electromagnetic information is required > to kill pathogens. This is a huge blunder. There is no electromagnetic interaction between silver ions and pathogens. The only thing that can happen is pure chemistry. Ions join opposite ions, and repel similar ions. Basic high school chemistry. Electromagnetics has absolutely nothing to do with it. Bear in mind, I am an electronic engineer with over 50 years of experience and 6 patents already awarded. So I have some authority in stating you will get nowhere invoking electromagnetics in silver ion healing. > I noted that particles in the colloidal spectrum have unique > properties not shared by simple ion arrangements. Metallic silver > can very easily survive the digestive tract. In fact, you may not > be aware fo this, but some colloidal-size particles exhibit > enzyme-like activities in the body. There is no metallic silver produced in the silver electrolysis process. Only silver ions, Ag+, hydroxide ions, OH-, and the combination, silver hydroxide, AgOH. And silver chloride, AgCl, in the stomach. But I have arranged things so the SilverCell process does not produce any silver hydroxide, AgOH. And the cs never hits the stomach since you don't ingest it. > However, again, I don't see this as very important to the work at > hand. I wholeheartedly agree that Frank is very wrong in some of > his suppositions. >> Internally, something completely different happens. With >> sublingual absorption, the amount of silver in the blood is far >> to low to have any effect on pathogens. We need to study this >> further, since it definitely involves the human immune system > Even small concentrations of silver ions contain the > electromagetic information of silver. I'm not sure anyone > understands from a practical level how oligodynamics work > biologically. As far as anyone really knows, the effect could > simply be a catylst. It is pretty clear the silver ions do not affect the pathogens directly. However, if you have ever seen any videos of white blood cells attacking pathogens, they are extremely vigorous in searching. As soon as they detect a pathogen, it is all over in milliseconds. The attack is swift and deadly. My theory is the silver ion may help the white blood cell find the pathogen so it can destroy it. Perhaps it is a bit similar to the effect carrots have on our night vision. > Nebulization is my favorite method of administration, although I > am aware that there are some MD's out there who rely soley upon > sublingual adsorption. I must alert you to new information I have discovered on nebulization. I found a website where the author took videos of nebulizing droplets evaporating. When this happens, the silver and hydroxide ions are forced together and combine to form silver hydroxide, AgOH. The droplets evaporate faster when they get smaller. The effect is the lifetime is measured in milliseconds at the typical size used in cs nebulizing. This means you inhale silver hydoxide, AgOH, which is inert, insoluble, and probably an irritant to the lung tissue the same as asbestos. Over the long term, this could cause irreparable damage to the lungs. The reason nebulizing seems to help is some of the cs is absorbed through sublingual absorption as it saturates the mucous membranes in the mouth. So the real benefit of nebulizing is in the sublingual absorption. The SilverCell process uses this to great advantage instead of ingesting the cs. >> High ionic is the only way to go. Unfortunately, most people here >> have no way to see this for themselves since all the current cs >> generators have too many design flaws to reach the needed >> concentration. > Aside from experience with the differences in taste, the salt > solution is an elegant solution. I'm not really sure what you mean. The salt test is completely different. You do not ingest or taste the solution - just observe it under vertical illumination to see the dispersion. >> But the solution has been under our fingers since the 3 nines was >> originally invented. All it takes is a slight rearrangement of >> the design, and we can improve the ion concentration by a factor >> of ten! > I would really like to see this in a closed system some day, with > the ambient air variables removed. It would be fascinating. Again, it does not matter what you do above the surface. The ions in the Nernst Diffusion layer have no connection with the atmosphere. >> You will truly be amazed when you see how simple the SilverCell >> process is. This is the most significant breakthrough in >> colloidal silver generators since the original 3 nines, and I am >> hopeful it will have beneficial effects for those suffering from >> serious pathogens that do not respond well to other treatment, >> such as Lyme disease. > I found some basic specs on your generator from your website or > egroup (can't remember which when I did a search). > You should consider putting together a simple kit as well as DIY > instructions. I have already started. I have the detailed photos from the prototype ready to publish, and have just recieved the main components for the "production" version. > When you're ready, I'm certain I can help with getting your work > recognized. That would be very nice of you, Jason. The recognition is not important. What I really need is a way to reach the young single moms with kids to feed, and no money for silver wire or complex cs generators. I believe one way to reach them might be to start a club at the University of Waterloo, and locate and repair old used washers, dryers, and microwave ovens to give to single moms with kids at the local women's shelters. Then, as we can fix the old washers and dryers and other appliances, and supply them to these families who need them so much, we might also find a way to give them small SilverCell generators and teach them how to use them. Maybe I can find wealthy people at the university that might be willing to buy silver wire and beakers to make the generators. Once we figure out how to get started, it should be easy to scale it to other cities and villages. And then grow it from there. >Kind Regards, >Jason Best Wishes, Mike Monett SilverCell -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: <mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: <mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com> List Owner: Mike Devour <mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com>
