On 10/12/2012 7:43 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
I've usually got 3 x 1200ml glass containers in storage. Whilst
drawing from one for my daily morning ritual, by the time I get
through to the last container it's probly taken a couple of months or
more @ approx 30ml a day.
I just wondered about that polarity reversal thing.
Not saying anything negative about auto polarity reversal I hope
everyone understands, just wondering about the chemistry if electrodes
are never removed during production process? No matter how minute the
oxides or whatever develop on electrodes between that polarity
switching, it must end up in the solution on reversal when it is
automatically 'removed?' from those electrodes?
Why? The Van der waals force is not affected by the current or the
polarity. The particles are stuck to the electrodes, and there is no
force to overcome the Van der waals force, so they stay stuck to the
electrode.
If nothing is observable with that solution over time, then some
chemistry action must be occurring during each polarity reversal which
has an impact on the Ag+ ions within that solution whilst brewing.
Yes, as I outlined before, the anode produces oxygen (actually an OH)
making silver oxide/hydroxide, and spits off silver ions into the
water. The cathode produces highly reactive monoatomic hydrogen and
attracts silver ions from the water previously produced by the anode.
Thus the anode gets coated with silver oxide, the cathode silver powder
(actually it is mostly silver metal plated out on the cathode, but
appears black because it is very rough texture, that is the cathode goes
from being a smooth shiny layer of silver on the surface to a black
rough surface). Upon reversal, the silver now on the anode starts
producing silver ions to go into the water, and the silver oxide now on
the cathode reacts with the monoatomic hydrogen producing silver
particles and water. The silver particles remain on the cathode along
with any that precipitate out of solution to get converted to silver
ions on the next half cycle when it becomes an anode again.
My way of explanation: No matter what one does, there will always be
some oxides or whatever develop on the electrodes, this is what we
normally remove from the electrodes when we wipe them clean at regular
timed intervals on a non auto polarity reversal unit, now because we
cannot prevent those oxides etc from developing the aforesaid must go
somewhere no matter how minute it might be.
They will be produced. You can either remove them by physical action,
like wiping, or chemically, with polarity reversal. In the end they all
go into the water as either colloidal silver, or ionic silver, which is
what we are trying to produce if you use polarity reversal.
If that doesn't have some effect on the Ag+ ions in solution
encouraging larger particles as the solution stabilises over time, or
result in a thin film of silver on the surface, then I'm just curious
to understand the chemistry behind it?
I explained the chemistry again in the above.
Simple Example: Let's say it takes 1 1/2 hours to brew a solution to
an individuals desired ppm, now if those electrodes were not to be
removed for that length of time there would be a considerable amount
of oxides or whatever appear on that electrode as the deposition of
silver into the water increases to desired ppm level. On an auto
polarity reversal unit those electrodes are not 'physically' removed
to be cleaned, so whatever appears {not visible to naked eye perhaps}
on the electrode must be removed and returned to the water upon each
reversal of polarity?
It is not "REMOVED", it is converted, back to silver. At some point it,
being pure silver (the same as the virgin electrode) becomes either
ionic or colloidal silver, what we are trying to make.
If that doesn't result in *some?* settling or sediment, or produce a
fine layer of silver on the surface of the solution becoming evident
over time in storage, then some chemistry must be taking place with
those Ag+ ions already in existence in that solution, combined with
those oxides whilst in the brewing process? Those Ag+ ions increase
exponentially over brewing time until desired ppm level is attained.
If that minute amount of oxides or whatever are introduced into the
water at each polarity reversal, then why does that not promote larger
particles for gravity to pull out or a fine silver layer to appear on
the surface after being in storage for any length of time, I'm just
curious as to know why?
What is produced is CS and ionic silver. That some of the silver may
have gone through a cycle of being an oxide then reduced again is
irrelevant, in the end it will get spit out as a silver ion, which then
may either combine with other silver ions producing a colloidal
particle, or remain an ion, increasing the ionic portion of the silver
in the water. The action is the same whether we are talking about a
silver particle that is sitting on the anode from reducing silver oxide
from the previous half cycle, or the virgin silver of the electrode itself.
Marshall
Perhaps one needs a very good grounding in chemistry to understand
what's going on? I certainly haven't got that!
Not sure if anyone sees where I'm going with this in my non chemistry
explanations? <g>.
N.
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From: h.godav...@shaw.ca
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 08:38:21 -0500
Subject: Re: RE: CS> Dark oxides in forming in CS
You braught up an interesting point. Next time I brew some CS , i will
watch the process and storage bit.Until recently i made enough for a
few weeks of irregular usage and did not have to think about storing
for long times. Thanks for the idea.
regards
hg
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From: Neville Munn <one.red...@hotmail.com>
Date: Friday, October 12, 2012 7:09 am
Subject: RE: CS> Dark oxides in forming in CS
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" <silver-list@eskimo.com>
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