----- Original Message -----
From: "Ivan Anderson" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, 17 June 2000 23:54
Subject: Re: CS>A Recent Batch of My HVAC CS was analyzed for Nitrate &
theResult is . . .


> Hi there Bob,
>
> That's very interesting.
> So the drop in pH is dependent upon an arc induced plasma but not by
the
> products of ionising air?
> Any way of repeating the experiment and introducing a shielding gas. I
> think Roger did this but I can't find the post.
>
> I have a little time and perhaps I can use my Tig welder, replacing
the
> tungsten electrode for silver and sputter with Argon shielding and
> without. Not the same as HVAC I know, LVDC high Amp arc in fact. At
> least we could find out whether an AC arc is needed to lower the pH.
>
> Ivan.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 June 2000 00:35
> Subject: Re: CS>A Recent Batch of My HVAC CS was analyzed for Nitrate
&
> theResult is . . .
>
>
> > Fred and All;
> >
> > When I have made HVAC using the "cone method" (that is where the
water
> comes up
> > and submerges the center electrode) the pH is in the range of 6.2 to
> 6.8 and not
> > the 4 or less for the arc method.
> >
> > When I used the unshielded arc there was a very strong ozone and
> "nitric acid"
> > smell. When I shielded the arc with a pyrex glass shield there was a
> significant
> > reduction in the smells all most to the point of non existent.
However
> the pH was
> > still depressed.  The shield was a 1" test tube that I perforated
the
> end and cut
> > to length to cover the center electrode and extend about 1/8" into
the
> DW.
> >
> > If you check your chemistry  history the arc in air was how Dr.
Farber
> in Germany
> > made the precursor of nitrates for their explosive manufacture for
> World War 2.
> >
> > I suspect that the sample that failed was my HVAC arc method.  Since
I
> am not
> > selling anything, you may feel free to mention my name if that was
my
> sample.  I
> > am a hobbyist trying to determine the best method of making CS, and
> any insights
> > I  get I will put on the list.
> >
> > "Ole Bob"
>
>


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