"A.V.R.A." wrote: (reproduced at the bottom). Clearly there are two schools of thought on this. I am by no means alone in my belief that ionic silver forms silver chloride in the bloodstream. Dr. Meade estimated the half life of silver ions to be 7.8 seconds in the blood.
Many get excited about testing ionic silver in a petri dish. It is true that ionic silver is great for killing pathogens when chloride is not present, but when are the petri dish tests going to be conducted in a chloride environment that duplicates the blood serum? Why is everyone so silent on this subject? Is it because they already know the answer and they don't like it? > "but exactly how many people are making pure particle silver solutions?" I don't know, perhaps we are the only ones. We make them because we feel it the correct way to solve the problem. Making high particle concentration silver colloids is not a walk in the park like making ionic silver. Many who have done their own tests of efficacy and have satisfied themselves go about their business and just use the high particle colloids. If the products didn't work, there would be no repeat sales. You might consider making your own tests with high particle concentrations. Perhaps nothing else would really convince you. > I have never seen a post where you describe how your colloidal silver has actually worked against any condition. I am very careful not to make such claims, I will let others tell what they have done with the product. If you want to see testimonials about what high particle silver works against, you might consider visiting a web site that is devoted to retail selling of the product. See: www.Advanced-Colloidal-Silver.co m Regarding the science of colloids; our work is reviewed by Dr. Maass, a professor of chemistry with 30 years experience in industry and academia. For a good example of the science that others choose to believe, just take a look at how many books have been written and how many web site explain that silver particles have a positive charge. Ask the writers of these words if they actually ever measured the charge on the particles. The scientific fact is that the particles have a negative charge, not a positive charge. It is measurable in the lab if you have the right equipment. I have made hundreds of such measurements, which always show the particles are negative. See the plotted results of these measurement on the Commercial Product Reports, Zeta Potential Plot. Particle charge is good example of the science that people want to hang their hat on. I have written a paper on this subject and it on the silver-colloids web site. Many may choose to believe in positively charged particles and pretend that silver ions will survive in a chloride environment. That is their choice. I chose to believe otherwise and act accordingly. frank key ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ below is the complete post being responded to. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Forgive me if I am being presumptious Frank, but exactly how many people are > making pure particle silver solutions? I'm aware of two people. I've > always been incredibly interested in particle silver research. However, I've > seen no reports of efficacy, and the science I've seen ( that I've been able > to understand, not being a specialist in chemistry ) has been sloppy. > > For example, the "scientific experiment" where ionic silver is added to > saliva and silver chloride is produces disproving protein adsorption of > ionic silver is borderline negligance. > > I think you are being extremely unfair in stating that those using ionic > silver ignore the silver chloride issue. The archives prove differently. I > will remind you yet again that ionic silver products HAVE received FDA > approval, and there are a few companies spending an incredible amount of > money learning how to deliver ionic silver successfully into the body. > These same companies could far spend less money learning how to deliver > particle silver into the body, yet the predominant viewpoint among silver > professionals is that ionic silver is ideal if there is a guarantee that the > ionic silver will reach the site of an infection. > > I think that by taking the stance in the manner that you do, you not only > misrepresent the scientific ideals you apparently hold so highly, but also > do science itself an injustice. > > Personally, I use a high particle concentration for external applications > because silver is silver, and higher concentrations externally have proven > to me ) to be more effective with no added risk. However, I'm working on a > simple method that will allow ionic silver to remain ionic for extended > periods of time. In cases where this method is feasible, I will then opt > for a "more" ionic silver solution. > > The majority of the work I've seen is a futile attempt to prove that ionic > silver does not work, and that particle silver is theoretically the better > alternative. I've seen very little on the practical application of a pure > particle silver solution in the human body and what it can or cannot do. > > The only thing that has stopped me from doing some clinical research on the > real efficacy of ionic silver is the fact that I don't have the equipment to > control ionic silver production to standards, nor do I have the funds to > purchase the colloidal silver at this time for use in such an endevour. > > I would ask you to realize that your words have the potential to bring harm > to those people new to silver. Having an extraordinary amount of respect > for scientific professionals, had I met you and heard your words about ionic > silver, my wife very well could be dead as the result. Fortunately, I "met" > Lindeman instead. Scientific ethics were developed to preserve the value of > science itself. While it is true that every person must accept personal > responsibility for their choices, is it really your intention to bring > possible harm to others based on what is clearly some vendetta? > > I have never seen a post where you describe how your colloidal silver has > actually worked against any condition. Yet you criticize those who report > and are working to achieve a greater understanding through practical > application. I think your theoretical base for the efficacy of particle > silver is excellent, and I always have. > > Why not simply take your particle silver solution, put it to WORK, and let > the results speak for themselves? Why not focus on the IS of your own work? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Key" <[email protected]> > To: "*Silver-List*" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 6:11 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Where to find 50 ppm...... > > > > Ivan wrote: > > > > > > I think most of us have reached the conclusion that colloidal > > > > silver is more effective than ionic silver for killing pathogens. > > > > > > I think not Marshall. Surely most think that ionic silver is more > effective > > > in killing pathogens, or at least don't know which is more effective. > > > > > > Just who is the us you refer to... the same 'many' that Frank referred > to a > > > while ago? > > > > > > Ivan. > > > > It would seem that those producing silver solutions (all ionic silver) are > the ones most inclined to: > > > > 1. claim ionic silver is more effective in killing pathogens. > > 2. claim silver solutions are really colloids > > 3. ignore that chloride combines with silver ions to form silver chloride. > > > > Maybe what is needed is a list devoted to silver solutions and producers > thereof. > > > > frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. 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