Wayne, I just want to be invited to our garage sale, when ya having one?

ed,
santa cruz, ca.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:wa...@fugitt.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 5:48 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Electricity/ current, ma., etc.


Evening Eleanor,

Thanks, Harold.  That's a beginning ;-)  So, just for starters, what would
the ma or current be coming off a pack of 3 9V batteries using let's say
14# wire?  Or does it depend also on the changing ppm forming in the water?
>simple explanations for a simple mind.

    I compare making CS to wine making.  Several years back, ( about 20
)  I was harvesting 8 to 9 tons of blackberries,
6 to 8 tons of assorted grapes, plus 15 tons of other produce per year, all
in my spare time.   Full time, I could grow and harvest 100 to 125 tons per
years.

    Many of my customers were interested in wine making.  I have never
drank the stuff, and don't even like it.  However,
I read several books on wine making and some users said it was very good.

    I found most home wine makers knew nothing and did not want to study
and learn about the technicalities of wine making.

    With this in mine, I told them all, and everyone else, there exist two
ways to make wine.

    One is by the book, and the other is by the seat of the
pants.  Generally 95 % of these people made it by the seat of the pants.

    I think this same applies to making CS.  If people don't know a volt
from an amp, or a mili Siemens from a micro Siemens,
and a mili amp from a transistor, then they should take some ones recipe
and methods, use these, and be happy ever after.

    Even though I savvy lots of technical stuff, I consider I am still
making CS by the seat of the pants.

    It works so good that way, as others here have stated.

    Of course I like technical things, gadgets and worthless projects.  For
example, before I quit drinking coffee, it seemed such a hassle filling the
coffee maker every morning.

    So..... I  used timers, valves, leds, and push buttons and built a
coffee pot filler.  I placed the valves and hardware behind the wall and
mounted all the controls on a two gang stainless plate.  Mounted this on a
two gang shallow wiremold box at the proper place on the cabinet over the
coffee maker.  I used flexible tubing and a short piece of rigid tubing
directly over the coffee maker.

   Here is how it worked.

   One push button fills the coffee maker to the 100% full.  Another button
fills a half batch.  The third one cancels and stops the water flow.   Two
timers are used and carefully calibrated.  It stops at the right
place.  The push button allows one to add a small amount and / or stop the
flow at any time.

   Since I quit drinking the nasty stuff, my wife who don't like gadgets
and push buttons don't even use it.

   If I had not quit drinking coffee, I planned to make a hopper with my
own feeding device to dump in the coffee, then a little more control
stuff,  and this would be near fully automatic.  Putting the filter in
automatically looks a bit mechanically complicated.   Of course a robot to
bring the coffee to the bed would be the final stage.

   Yes, it is all I can do to keep from making a more sophisticated CS
maker with digital meters, regulated voltage for the digital meter,
indicators for current, different settings for batch time, ect.

   Believe me, most people don't have the time, inclination, and know how
to do all this.

   I think the choices are ........ get technical or make it by the seat of
the pants.  Everyone I know in my territory are doing exactly that.

   And.... Eleanor, I did not mean this to discourage you or hamper you
from doing more detailed and technical stuff.

   Your name just happened to get on the message.  <grin>

   Like always, the technical types will answer questions for the ones that
really want to get on the band wagon.


    Wayne





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