Hello All, I am somewhat shocked, surprised and saddened by some of the recent remarks regarding list management. Shocked at Bill's message, surprised at the applauds he got and saddened that no one spoke up in defense of Stephens leaving
Back in February Bill posted to the list telling us about his company. In May Mike made reference to the Frankenstuart Monster and reprimanded both gentleman at the time for their behavior. Bill responded with a series of clap, clap, clap etc...... apparently applauding Mike admonishing those two for their uncivil behavior....And now we are subjected to a tirade from Bill far worse IMHO than anything Frank, Stuart or Stephen ever said. Bill's remarks, I feel were insulting not only to Frank and Stephen but also to Mike and the whole list. I was shocked and embarrassed to read it ...and then their were those that applauded it. It is a bit like applauding the terrorist for the bombing...and no I am not calling anyone a terrorist here, although Bill referred to Stuart as a terrorist. By Stephen leaving the list, and I can certainly understand why, we have just let the school yard bully win. Perhaps Stephen and Frank should have been more civil and not so *snarky* but it was between them. They both have strong opinions and believe in what they are doing. . I think that it is often that through honest disagreement that learning takes place. I won't even pretend to know what they were talking about most of the time. Perhaps Mike should have reigned them in earlier or more often,but he, like I , on the *other *list, like to give folks a chance to monitor themselves. Perhaps I too should be doing that more often on the off topic list as there have been some "not so niceness" over there too...there have been four unsubscribes in the last few days...so consider yourselves reminded about civility as most of you are on both lists. If we cannot control our emotions and feelings in these matters and insist on being rude and insulting , and have others applaud that behavior, how in the world can we expect nations to agree on anything. I am sorry to see Stephen leave. Mainly because he is leaving for the wrong reason. I don't believe that you should let you actions be determined by the actions of another. Bill is not the moderator, Mike is and if anyone need be admonished for bad behavior it should be Bill for his insults to the whole list , and perhaps he has....privately... True something's off topic do get brought up but most of the time they switch over which is why the *other*list exists, There is no need to call those that bring up other subjects Loony Toons. Anyway I just had to put in ,as someone has said although I don't recall right now who...my 2cents worth. I could say more but I guess enough is enough.... Sincerely Joanne Off Topic List owner ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Quinto To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 12:55 PM Subject: RE: CS>List management Mike, If Bill Fernald's comments had not been endorsed by others on the list, I might have remained quiet and let the matter die. For In his diatribe, some of the worst attributes of human endeavor were expressed. I won't even bother to address them. The list should reflect carefully on what he was actually saying instead of endorsing it with BRAVOS etc. It was all too clear to sentient souls. I am that dismayed that I no longer want to share in this forum. Please unsubscribe me forthwith. Stephen Quinto
