Kevin: I'm interested in seeing that report... If I imagine correctly, the report will be about silver compounds not including silver chloride... Who would do a study on silver chloride, since there is no benefit from using it over other products? Comparing, say, silver nitrate with silver chloride or even silver chloride to silver oxide, and classifying them all together because they are compounds, is making a very wide assumption.
I don't believe for a minute that silver chloride, or electro-colloidal silver will harm the kidneys in the amounts that we typically use colloidal silver for. Of course, I could be wrong! But if the report just says "silver compounds", then I have to assume that they are referring to compounds that have actually been USED in the body on purpose, and therefore studied for safety evaluation - this would exclude silver chloride. Second, there is a big difference between silver compounds that are formed IN the body, and silver compounds formed before entering the body. The amount of silver in silver arsphenamine, silver nitrate, silver acetate, "argyrol", "Neosilvol", "Collargol", etc. far exceeds the actual amount of silver in "our" colloidal silver. You need to realize, that some of these doses were ONE GRAM doses that were used, and with these excess doses, sometimes 18% of the silver was immediately retained in the body. We KNOW this is not true of isolated silver products. If you retain 18% of the silver in your body, and you are taking anywhere near 1 gram doses daily, alot more is going to happen besides kidney problems with long term use. At any rate, I'm certainly interested in viewing the report! ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Nolan To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 8:07 PM Subject: CS>CS & renal failure Arthur Rambo wrote: "Using the pwt meter, which I'm told will measure the conductiviy of the water by sensing particles in the water (correct me if I'm off on this, please), I find that my city tap water measures 180.4, or roughly 120 parts per million. When run through the counter top filter, it reads 172.2 or roughly 118 ppm. My CS measures 31.4 or roughly 18 ppm. I tend to think that the metal in the tap water would be the larger problem." Arthur, metal in tap water could mean, eg, calcium carbonate which is probably quite beneficial. The purported problem relates to silver compounds, and naturally there will be big differences between each of these. Roesilver wrote: "Silver chloride would qualify as a compound. I make HVAC CS. I did the experiment that was suggested at a web site, that being, putting some salt in the CS and I watched it turn a little milky. Putting salt in distilled water did not produce any milkyness. So even though I know that the CS I produce is a very effective product, I now know that a percentage of it is ionic and that ionic silver will certainly become silver chloride in my blood stream or stomach. If I swish it around in my mouth, most of the ionic silver will go into my blood stream, become silver chloride in the blood and become a load on my kidnies. Is this the load on the kidnies that eventually produces the renal failure he talks about? If I wolf it down, it will become silver chloride and most of that silver chloride will pass through my bowels because the molecules are mostly too large to go through the intestinal wall. Purchasing the high priced CS that has low ionic content and high particulate content, from what I understand, doesn't seem to produce any better results than the CS I now use. It just looks good on graph paper. So for efficacy I can't really justify the extra expense. Does silver Chloride have any of the same anti bacterial qualities of particulate silver colloid?" I personally brew LVDC CS (probably more accurately, ionic silver plus some colloid) with citric acid added in the hope of producing a more bioavailable complexed form that gets where it should - check http://www.feel21.com/ohr/vol6.html for my inspiration on that one. I'm not as sure as you about what happens to ionic silver absorbed via swilling in the mouth. Admittedly, converting to chloride is a reasonable assumption, but no one seems to really know, or to what extent. Swilling it has certainly been doing my long standing candida-type infection a lot of good. But I do worry about longer term consequences if accumulation in the kidneys is occuring. That certainly would be an argument in favour of "pure colloidal" product, since germicidal efficacy is not then the only consideration. As to whether the problem is clogging of the fine capillaries directly by silver chloride particles, or an inflammation reaction is at this point just speculation. In a day or two I should be able to post the JAMA study references, and let you judge for yourself. This thread started out on the wisdom of adding CS to juices, soups, sauces etc. It was pointed out that any ionic silver would certainly convert to chloride in that kind of salty environment. Silver chloride is just much less germicidal than ionic or particulate silver, so taking it straight at least enhances the chance of making it available in the body. Maybe a lister knows of a means of flushing out the kidneys which might counter any problem? regards, Kevin Nolan [email protected]
