High, Ed.
               At a guess the doover you're thinking of is a kind of "Vortex 
Energiser " that you can read about at 
http://www.implosionresearch.com/cir3/index.html. Another "treasure -trove" 
site featuring many different "water energizing" techniques is 
http://www.mind.net/aware/water/waterhm.htm. Personally I think most of the 
info at those sites is only fit for composting. Of all the water conditioning 
concepts I have looked at, electrolyzed water has the soundest credentials. ORP 
as far as I know is really only an issue with the latter, the other 
technologies are really about attempting microclustering - rearranging the 
aggregration of water molecules, whereas electrolyzed acid/alkaline water 
involves introduction of an actual chemical species, H-, as well as 
microclustering and pH adjustment. 

regards, Kevin Nolan [email protected]

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Kevin, thanks for those links. Makes more sense to me now especially where 
others were talking about using C-S as the mineral necessary for conductibility 
in distilled water, for a second stage Acid/alkaline silver generator.
Quite a few years ago I recall a "miracle water" machine made by some engineer 
that used a "vortex" as part of his machine. It just hooked up under the sink. 
All stainless steel and a bit pricy for me so I never pursued that. The 
information sent to be (this was before the internet) was several pages of his 
creditenials and explanation of how it worked. I seem to recall that the super 
fast moving water was critical and maybe it moved around a magnet or something. 
Showed pictures before/after of plants, blood cells. A lot of details, sure 
wish I could find that. Sounds to me like the ORP you talked about. 

Ed Kasper LAC
Santa Cruz, CA