Hi Jeannie, I am not the expert to answer your question, however, I said what I was doing and I do prefer cleaned equipment prior of producing my CS. My feeling is that if the equipment is not clean, that it might add contamination to the distilled water. You may wish to check your DW with a small laser pen. Good distilled water will not have sparkles. But if the equipment is contaminated you might see lots of sparkle in the distilled water after you poured it in a container that has not been cleaned.
Like I said other experts on the subject may wish to add their comments. You may wish to check the archive as well. You may find messages referring to this subject, Gaston Here is a copy of a message extracted from the archive, Ken, (I hope Ken won't mind) is referring to the "grey fuzzy" on one electrode. If you have the time to read it, you may find it interesting. ------------------------------------------------------ "From: Ode Coyote (view other messages by this author) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 07:49:58 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Too vigerous stirring promotes the growth of the "grey fuzzies" on one electrode. The pressures of the water on that electrode prevents hydrogen bubble from growing large enough for their bouyancy to overcome their adhesion to the electrode and silver becomes trapped on the surface tension of the hydrogen bubbles via 'high speed' collosion. This forms a semi solid 'foamy' structure that grows in the direction of the water current and may sometimes fall off the electrode in a cylindrical chunk and sink to the bottom. [if using round wire for electrodes] The semi solid formation also prevents the hydrogen bubbles from growing, so new small bubbles form on top of the previous ones and you get thicker and thicker "grey fuzzy" deposits. The grey fuzzies are also semi insulative. If your generator has a voltage referencing circuit to indicate PPM [via ionic conductivity] or as a means of an automatic shut down, a thick build up will throw it out of calibration. Running the stirrer at a slower speed [or shortening the stirrer] greatly reduces the incidence of the "grey fuzzies" The water should be visibly moving but not like a tornado. If the generator is allowed to just sit with power off, the grey fuzzies will emit an "ion cloud" [misnomer in common usage] that's identical to the original cloud that formed them...as the hydrogen bubbles slowly dissipate, releasing trapped silver particles. Oddly, if the electrodes are well pitted and used, both formation of the grey fuzzies and silver oxides ["black stuff"...to be completely scientific about it] are reduced. The bubbler method of stirring might actually be superior to the mechanical stirrer where deposits are concerned because upward motion of the bubbles might tend to wipe the electrodes clean of hydrogen bubbles with bubble to bubble collisions...but not having tried it, I don't know for sure. What all that added dissolved oxygen does to the CS, I also don't know. I would think that it would combine with ionic silver and make a black deposit on the bottom of the container, blacken the CS or possibly lead to various colored crystal formation. It is my belief [not proven] that oxygen plays some role in the formation of larger crystals. In fact, the addition of hydrogen peroxide to distilled water and used as a 'starter' has produced very large , very silvery, metal flakes [just like what you'd find in metal flake paint] ...and...adding a small amount of hydrogen peroxide will clear the color of colored CS. I believe that o3 and H2O2 have scavenging properties that interact with the oxygen in CS crystals [if the crystal does indeed have any oxygen in its matrix] and oxide deposits in some way. H2O2 will clean and shine a black electrode at first [very quickly]...then blacken it again later on. [weird!] Just exactly what does a CS crystal matrix consist of? [BTW, not saying that oxygen content..if there IS an oxygen componant..of a CS crystal/particle... is responsible for the color of the crystal/particle...just that it might have something to do with its size] What do charged silver ions 'grow' around to form a colloidal particle [crystal?] if the like charge is constantly repelling other like ions? [real question...not a statement] Taking into account orientation of some ions with oxygen atoms in water molecules. [hydration?]. What happens when ion concentration exceeds the water molecules available ? [well sure, particle precipitation...but what about that repulsive ion charge? Where does it go?] Could several AG+ ions share electrons with one O2 molecule or one oxygen atom resulting an 'over' charged particle? Would it even be possible to make colored CS with absolutely dissolved oxygen free water in a vaccuum or inert gas? Would particles form at all if there were no avenue for the ion charge to leak off or otherwise be neutralized? Or, can a pure silver multi atom particle have a charge, or a charge of greater than +1? Could a clear and colorless CS "go yellow" later on if it were kept in an oxygen free environment? I do believe and have observed that fresh ozonated distilled water forms heavier black deposits on both the electrode and the bottom of the container if the ion path gets lose to the bottom [O3- plus AG+ = silver oxides...right?] and is more likely to produce a yellow CS than the same water that has been allowed to vent for a few days. [bubbles form of the side of the container and bubble off...indicating the escape of dissolved gasses] Ken ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeannie" <jean...@ucinet.com> To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 10:08 PM Subject: Re: CS>Filtering thoughts... > Gaston wrote: > > One of the other factor that does not seem to be emphasized enough is > > to keep all CS containers and equipment very clean. I use distilled water > > to rinse them > > several times prior to use. This is mostly important, otherwise CS can be > > contaminated. > Gaston > The only thing that seems to get on my equipment is silver. Why is that a > problem? Why > should it have to be cleaned off? > > Jeannie > > -- > One thing you can't recycle is wasted time. > > Jeannie McReynolds > Oregon Coast -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. 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