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--- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 > > silver-digest Digest Volume 102 : Issue 614 > > Today's Topics: > RE: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > Re: CS>Sick sheep > Re: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > Re: CS>Sodium Hydroxide was buying cs instead of > making it. > Re: CS>Light-Scattering > Re: CS>buying cs instead of making it. > Re: CS>Light-Scattering > Re: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > Re: CS>buying cs instead of making it. > Re: CS>buying cs instead of making it. > CS>Re: opinions > Re: CS>TJ Garland and mycoplasma infections > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:49:18 -0600 > From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" <a...@cybermesa.com> > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > Subject: RE: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > > Yes. All of that has also been my observation. > When one experiences a > really clear mind, the fuzz-and-blur of alcohol > becomes thick and > distasteful, without even considering the > aftereffects and long-range health > deterioration. > > Ibogain. Relatively easy withdrawal from heroin > addiction after as little > as one dose has been reported in the medical > community. I hear it is a > fantastic aphrodisiac too. I have never been able > to track it down. > > > NOTE. Mandatory Colloidal-Silver-Related-Content > follows: I wonder if you > took a dose of a potent psychedelic with silver > could you could watch the > sliver kill the pathogens up-close and figure out > the mechanism on a > molecular level? > > James-Osbourne: Holmes > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 6:36 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > > > I really don't know. I've not been to a doctor in > 35+ years. I suspect > it was a swollen gland and a good dose of mentally > directed niacin from the > shroom did it in. The heat seemed to be both > thermal and the prickly kind > gotten from niacin. > It is the brain that directs everything, after all. > Direct the brain and > there's no tellin what can happen. Shamans have been > using the shroom for > eons to enable alternative focus of attention. > Psychedelics have been know to completely reprogram > people overnight. > Longtime addicts to alchohol, coke and heroin have > been "cured" in days > without withdrawals with the use of strong > psychedelics such as abogain > [sp?] treatments. The early experiments with LSD > yeilded some similar > amazing results too. > But it's not legal here. > People who have their programming erased get > strange ideas about freedom > that those who would define it for us don't like. > [No more achoholism AND > no more marriage? No sense of hurry or pressure..no > need for a car?] > They like the idea that one would be freed of a > drug addiction, but don't > like it when the person gets freed of the whole > consumer addiction/wage > serf value system enchilada. > > If someone rethinks the entire system from > scratch..that could be > dangerous. > When role playing means nothing, what then, is the > role of leader worth? > Ken > > > At 01:05 PM 8/30/02 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > >Ode Coyote wrote: > > > >> Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden > dollar..brain > fertilizer. > >> > >> It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual > lump about the size of a > >> ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and > getting bigger. > >> Ken > > > >Could this have been a fatty tumor? I have several > of those. > > > >Jeannie > > > >> > >> > > > >-- > >We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves. > > > > > > > >Jeannie McReynolds > >Oregon Coast > > > > > > > > > >-- > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion > of colloidal silver. > > > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > >To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > > > >Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:21:52 -0700 > From: "Trem" <t...@silvergen.com> > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > Subject: Re: CS>Sick sheep > > Thanks much Barbara. This will most likely give the > owner enough confidence to at least start using it > orally. > > Trem > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Liles > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:00 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Sick sheep > > > Trem, > > I have used CS mixed with milk replica for calves > who already had the scours. It helped the scours. > > One calf had a respiratory infection so we put him > on IV CS, but started him on oral. > > Both calves lived to become ground round! In > speaking with a vet about giving oral CS to a rumen, > he said a severe infection was more of a threat, but > then he did add that the gut flora might need > adjusting with one of the multitude of products > available. > > On our farm we mix it with the horse water > periodically and have had a calf drink some > occasionally. No ill effects. > > Just my opinion, but having worked in veterinary > medicine for eons, we generally try to address the > original problem and be supportive of secondary > issues. > > I don't think sheep tolerate high temps as well as > most animals. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marshall Dudley > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Sick sheep > > > IV might be the best course. And if you could > put an ultrasonic humidifer with CS in it, it might > make it into the lungs if pneumonia is prescent. > Marshall > > Trem wrote: > > Hi List, Our neighbor has a lamb about 6 > months old that is running a fever of 105 F.and the > fever is not responding to antibiotics. Its most > significant symptom is the fever and lethargy. The > fever was up to 107 F. It has been sick for 5 days > and getting antibiotics for 4 days. The vet thinks > it is an enterococcus or maybe pneumonia but no > usual pneumonia symptoms are present. The digestive > symptoms that accompany enterococcus infection are > not present either. The stool was initially loose > and had mucous when the antibiotics were first > started but has since normalized. We have offered CS > to her but she is worried about the rumen being > compromised. Does anyone have any direct experience > with giving CS to sheep? Thanks folks. Trem > > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:31:07 -0700 > From: "Trem" <t...@silvergen.com> > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > Subject: Re: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > > Sorry Ken. Stropharia Cubensis is exactly the same > as Psilocybe Cubensis > and they do not grow on wood. They are coprophilous > (dung lovers). > > Trem > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ode Coyote" <coyote...@earthlink.net> > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:36 AM > Subject: RE: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > > > > > > Stropheria is a slightly different genus growing > mostly in wood. There > > are panaeolus cyanescens also in the patties in > the Gulf area. I was > > hunting psilocybe cubensis. Some days I found > one. Other days 80 and 90 > > pounds of em. We used to boil em down and put the > juice 50/50 with beer > in > > a keg and have a party Sweet home Alabama style. > > I'm no expert either..ya made me go look it up > :-) > > Gosh that was a long time ago. > > ken > > > > > > At 01:10 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: > > >Oh, spooky. Maybe the shroom enlightened a > neoplasm. > > > > > >I'm no expert, but I think it is Stropharia > Cubensis that grows in the > pies. > > > > > >James-Osbourne: Holmes > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] > > >Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:06 PM > > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > >Subject: Re: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > > > > > > > > > > > > Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden > dollar..brain > fertilizer. > > > > > >It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual > lump about the size of a > > >ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and > getting bigger. > > >Ken > > > > > >At 12:26 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: > > >>"If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow > disease?" > > >> > > >>I love it! > > >> > > >>Was that S.C. that you used on the tight muscle? > I have never heard of > > >that > > >>therapy. I used to grow them, but it quite a > project. > > >> > > >>James-Osbourne: Holmes > > >> > > >> > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: Ode Coyote > [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] > > >>Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:07 AM > > >>To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > >>Subject: Glad gow syndrome > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Alas, I didn't know about CS back when hunting > the noble cubensis in > the > > >>distant 70s. > > >> But I have used the fungi to heal lumps in > muscles over night. > > >> It seemed to have a magical property of > concentrating a prodigious heat > > >>wherever the concentration was held on a certain > spot with a healing > > >>intent. It feels much like a mentally directed > niacin flush. Makes the > spot > > >>reddish and radiant with heat. > > >> Months old Ping pong ball sized lump deep in > the arm muscle vanishes by > > >>morning... > > >> I have no idea what it was, just that it went > away and never came back. > > >> > > >>If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow > disease? > > >>Ken > > >> > > >> > > >>At 11:31 AM 8/29/02 -0600, you wrote: > > >>>Have you guys been blending the sol with > cow-pie fungi? > > >>> > > >>>James-Osbourne: Holmes > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>-----Original Message----- > > >>>From: Ode Coyote > [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] > > >>>Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:45 AM > > >>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > >>>Subject: Re: CS>Re: buying cs instead of making > it... > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> The DR Clark Kent super zapper! > > >>> It could change anyone in a phone booth in a > real hurry! > > >>>..and make one leap over tall buildings. > > >>> No para sites on MEEEE! > > >>>[I have real sites ] > > >>>Ken > > >>> > > >>>At 05:37 AM 8/29/02 -0400, you wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>From: <cking...@nycap.rr.com> > > >>>>To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > > >>>>Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:39 AM > > >>>>Subject: Re: CS>Re: buying cs instead of > making it... > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> For the HV guys, replace the electrodes on a > Stun gun with silver > ones. > > >>>>Impress > > >>>>> your friends. > > >>>>> WOO,HOO!!! > > >>>> > > >>>>LOL! And if one has to use it as a self > defense device... You could > > >induce > > >>>>some shock burns, but sterilize the wounds > with silver at the same > time. > > >>>How > > >>>>thoughtful and considerate. :) > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>-- > > >>>>The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal > silver. > > >>>> > > >>>>Instructions for unsubscribing may be found > at: http://silverlist.org > > >>>> > > >>>>To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > > >>>> > > >>>>Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > >>>> > > >>>>List maintainer: Mike Devour > <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:00:30 -0400 > From: Marshall Dudley <mdud...@execonn.com> > To: *Silver-List* <silver-list@eskimo.com> > Subject: Re: CS>Sodium Hydroxide was buying cs > instead of making it. > > Perhaps the OH is already there. Maybe when one > makes the CS, when an > oxygen atom is pulled out at the electrode during > electrolysis, the > remaining OH sticks around to balance the silver > ion. So when salt is > added, there is a simple reshuffle, with the OH and > the Cl swapping partners > so to speak. That would give silver chloride and > sodium hydroxide, or lye. > > Marshall > > Ivan Anderson wrote: > > > Just to clear up a few things :) > > > > If one does not add extra OH- ions to the mix, > then the talk of sodium > > hydroxide (Na+ OH-) is redundant. > > > > The sodium ions take no part in the reaction (Ag+ > + Cl- => AgCl), and > > are called spectator ions. > > > > Sodium ions cannot ionise anything as they are > already oxidised, > > sodium metal on the other hand reacts violently > with water. > > > > Ivan. > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:26:00 -0400 > From: "Frank Key" <fr...@strsoft.com> > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > Subject: Re: CS>Light-Scattering > > The observed color of colloids is mostly determined > by particle size only > for low particle concentrations (below about 2-3 ppm > of particles [not total > silver]). A typical "colloidal silver" product as > produced by electrolysis > contains between 5 and 20 percent particles (10% is > typical). Therefore, a > typical 10 ppm total silver colloid contains about 1 > ppm of particles and > it's color would be mostly determined by particle > size. > > For higher concentrations of particles, above about > 5 ppm of particles, the > dispersion of the particles seems to be a more > prominent determining factor > in the observed color. The dispersion can be changed > without changing the > particle size by slight ionic and pH changes to the > dispersant. > > In a colloid whose particle size was measured to be > 1.4 nm with 99.5% of the > volume of the particles contained in distribution > whose width is 0.5 nm we > have caused slight ionic changes and watched as the > observed color became > the following colors: yellow, orange, red, green, > blue, and violet. > > The particle concentration of the sample colloid was > about 16 ppm of > particles. > > From this we conclude that while observable color is > mostly determined by > particle size for low concentrations of particles, > for higher particle > concentrations, the observable color is primarily > determined by particle > dispersion. > > In all cases the observable color is the complement > of the absorbed > wavelength as determined by a scanning UV/VIS > spectrophotometer. In our lab > we use the Spectronic Unicam UV1. > > frank key > www.colloidalsciencelab.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ivan Anderson" <i...@win.co.nz> > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:53 AM > Subject: RE: CS>Light-Scattering > > > > Yes, it would seem that gold coloured silver sols > start at particle > > sizes of about 60 - 75nm (0.060 - 0.075 micron), > but the data given > > does not tell us at what point the yellow colour > first appears other > > than <38nm (<0.038 micron). > > > > If I remember correctly this data seems to be at > odds with the results > > obtained by Frank Key? > > > > Ivan. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Marshall Dudley > [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2002 2:18 a.m. > > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Subject: Re: CS>Light-Scattering > > > > > > > > > I have looked for years for the information in > table 3! It > > > seems all our > > > estimates of particles size for yellow and gold > sols has > > > been on the low > > > side by a factor of 2 to 4. The yellow > particles are way > > > over the size > > > often given as the range of acceptable sizes > which goes up to 15 nm. > > > > > > This article is definitely a keeper. > > > > > > Thanks for finding it. > > > > > > Marshall > > > > > > Ivan Anderson wrote: > > > > > > > An in depth investigation of light scattering, > absorption and > > > > transmission, in gold and silver sols. Has > some colour > > > photographs of > > > > silver sols. > > > > Warning: scientific and technical...just > ignore the math, perhaps > > > > start at page 13. > > > > > > > > > http://www.geniconsciences.com/root/files/1293.pdf > > > > > > > > Ivan > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > > > ATTACHMENT part 7 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:35:17 -0500 > From: harsha godavari <h.godav...@shaw.ca> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>buying cs instead of making it. > > Ken: > I believe salt is donating some of the chloride > to silver o form > silver chloride ( which is a white precipitate if > formed in large > quanties...)If you add some ammonia, it should > disappear as it will > dissolve in Ammonium hydroxide. > > Regards > Harsha Godavari > > Ode Coyote wrote: > > > > That would be my guess. That sodium has to go > somewhere when [if?] the > > chlorine swaps sides. > > Is it possible that something else is happening > to make the milkyness when > > salt is placed in conjunction with silver ions and > we've accepted a > > simplistic assumption as final truth? > > Is it possible that silver ions do an amazing and > complicated dance when > > injected? > > Ken > > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion > of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > ATTACHMENT part 8 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:05:03 -0400 > From: Marshall Dudley <mdud...@execonn.com> > To: *Silver-List* <silver-list@eskimo.com> > Subject: Re: CS>Light-Scattering > > You do have a good point there. I just did a > regression on the silver data > ( on line java applet for that is at > http://intrepid.mcs.kent.edu/~blewis/stat/lsq.html > ). The linear does not > fit very well, and the quadratic fits pretty well, > The cubic fits very well, > but it has a minimum around 25, which we know is > incorrect. So I think the > quadratic is probably the best representative of the > three.. > > The formulea is: > > y = 411.1764282955657 + 0.3112651021088278x + > 0.005722307218039878x^2 > > This produces the table shown at > http://silver-lightning.com/cgi-bin/silver.pl > > Now one thing becomes clear rather quickly. The > absorption wavelength does > not change rapidly with size as the size gets > smaller. For instance, from 0 > to 5 the wavelength changes by less than 2 nm, and > from 95 to 100 the > wavelength changes by almost 7nm. Thus the yellow > range of particle sizes > is extremely wide! > > But another thing to note is that true to form, this > extrapolation is off, > and significantly so as the particle size gets > smaller. We KNOW that CS is > clear when the size gets small enough, but the > generated extrapolation shows > it to still have a yellow color all the way to 0, > absorbing in the violet > range since it never goes below 380 nm ( > http://www.sencore.com/custsup/color/Color_Analysis.htm > ). > > Thus we still need at least one good data point in > the area under 10 nm to > get a good curve fit. > > Marshall > > The program generating the data is: > > ! /usr/bin/perl > print "Content-type: text/html\n\n"; > print "<table border=0 cellspacing=0 > cellpadding=0><th>size > nm</th><th>absorp. peak nm</th></tr>"; > > for ($x = 0; $x <100; $x += 5) { > $y = 411.1764282955657 + > 0.3112651021088278*$x + > 0.005722307218039878*$x*$x; > print "<tr><td>$x</td><td>$y</td></tr>"; > } > print "</table>"; > > > Ivan Anderson wrote: > > > Yes, it would seem that gold coloured silver sols > start at particle > > sizes of about 60 - 75nm (0.060 - 0.075 micron), > but the data given > > does not tell us at what point the yellow colour > first appears other > > than <38nm (<0.038 micron). > > > > If I remember correctly this data seems to be at > odds with the results > > obtained by Frank Key? > > > > Ivan. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Marshall Dudley > [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2002 2:18 a.m. > > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Subject: Re: CS>Light-Scattering > > > > > > > > > I have looked for years for the information in > table 3! It > > > seems all our > > > estimates of particles size for yellow and gold > sols has > > > been on the low > > > side by a factor of 2 to 4. The yellow > particles are way > > > over the size > > > often given as the range of acceptable sizes > which goes up to 15 nm. > > > > > > This article is definitely a keeper. > > > > > > Thanks for finding it. > > > > > > Marshall > > > > > > Ivan Anderson wrote: > > > > > > > An in depth investigation of light scattering, > absorption and > > > > transmission, in gold and silver sols. Has > some colour > > > photographs of > > > > silver sols. > > > > Warning: scientific and technical...just > ignore the math, perhaps > > > > start at page 13. > > > > > > > > > http://www.geniconsciences.com/root/files/1293.pdf > > > > > > > > Ivan > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > ATTACHMENT part 9 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:15:30 -0400 > From: Marshall Dudley <mdud...@execonn.com> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>RE: Glad cow syndrome > > "James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote: > > > Yes. All of that has also been my observation. > When one experiences a > > really clear mind, the fuzz-and-blur of alcohol > becomes thick and > > distasteful, without even considering the > aftereffects and long-range health > > deterioration. > > > > Ibogain. Relatively easy withdrawal from heroin > addiction after as little > > as one dose has been reported in the medical > community. I hear it is a > > fantastic aphrodisiac too. I have never been able > to track it down. > > It is also spelled ibogaine. > http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ It is illegal to > possess in the US. > > Marshall > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion > of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > ATTACHMENT part 10 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:26:54 -0400 > From: Marshall Dudley <mdud...@execonn.com> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>buying cs instead of making it. > > Ah, elementary chemistry. I love it! OK, took about > 3 oz of 5 ppm CS, 80% ionic, > and added a pinch of salt. The solution became > slightly milky. Added about an > oz of household ammonia (ammonium hydroxide), and it > cleared back up. > > Good idea. That seems to confirm the hypothesis that > the ionic CS reacts with the > NaCl and forms AgCl. Darn, misplaced my laser > pointer. I wanted to confirm that > the colloidal part was unchanged by this, but I > guess that will have to wait till > another day. > > Marshall > > harsha godavari wrote: > > > Ken: > > I believe salt is donating some of the > chloride to silver o form > > silver chloride ( which is a white precipitate if > formed in large > > quanties...)If you add some ammonia, it should > disappear as it will > > dissolve in Ammonium hydroxide. > > > > Regards > > Harsha Godavari > > > > Ode Coyote wrote: > > > > > > That would be my guess. That sodium has to go > somewhere when [if?] the > > > chlorine swaps sides. > > > Is it possible that something else is happening > to make the milkyness when > > > salt is placed in conjunction with silver ions > and we've accepted a > > > simplistic assumption as final truth? > > > Is it possible that silver ions do an amazing > and complicated dance when > > > injected? > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > ATTACHMENT part 11 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:37:07 -0400 > From: "Arnold Beland" <abel...@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > Subject: Re: CS>buying cs instead of making it. > > Marshall, > > Send me your address and I will happily send you one > of my laser pointers > as a small acknowledgement of your contribution to > this forum in the years I > have been lurking here. I have several thousand in > stock. > > Best Regards, > Arnold Beland > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marshall Dudley" <mdud...@execonn.com> > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: CS>buying cs instead of making it. > > > > Ah, elementary chemistry. I love it! OK, took > about 3 oz of 5 ppm CS, 80% > ionic, > > and added a pinch of salt. The solution became > slightly milky. Added > about an > > oz of household ammonia (ammonium hydroxide), and > it cleared back up. > > > > Good idea. That seems to confirm the hypothesis > that the ionic CS reacts > with the > > NaCl and forms AgCl. Darn, misplaced my laser > pointer. I wanted to > confirm that > > the colloidal part was unchanged by this, but I > guess that will have to > wait till > > another day. > > > > Marshall > > > > harsha godavari wrote: > > > > > Ken: > > > I believe salt is donating some of the > chloride to silver o form > > > silver chloride ( which is a white precipitate > if formed in large > > > quanties...)If you add some ammonia, it should > disappear as it will > > > dissolve in Ammonium hydroxide. > > > > > > Regards > > > Harsha Godavari > > > > > > Ode Coyote wrote: > > > > > > > > That would be my guess. That sodium has to > go somewhere when [if?] > the > > > > chlorine swaps sides. > > > > Is it possible that something else is > happening to make the milkyness > when > > > > salt is placed in conjunction with silver ions > and we've accepted a > > > > simplistic assumption as final truth? > > > > Is it possible that silver ions do an amazing > and complicated dance > when > > > > injected? > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > > > ATTACHMENT part 12 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:37:57 -0700 > From: jrowl...@nctimes.net > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>Re: opinions > > > I look for facts. I found them. > > > Then give the links or references; not "somebody > said". > jr > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion > of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > ATTACHMENT part 13 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:42:29 -0700 > From: "AVRA / Jason" <silverd...@hotmail.com> > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > Subject: Re: CS>TJ Garland and mycoplasma infections > > Christine: > > A batch of silver that reacts that way to H2O2 might > be fairly low quality > CS... I have never used, ( as Ken mentioned ) h2o2 > during the process, only > afterward. > > Remember that a severe reaction between CS and H2O2 > is the H2O2 reacting > with the particles. Since home brew units are > usually not capable of > producing a high PPM QUALITY particulate silver, I > would hypothesize that > there was either tiny flakes of silver in the CS, or > agglomeration. > > I work hard to achieve a higher particulate CS when > using CS and H2O2 for > more topical applications, such as mouth infections, > sore throats, ears, > etc... Trying to achieve this without producing > complete sludge is not > easy. I want the particles, even larger ones are ok > ( since the H2O2 will > reduce them ), but I don't want a completely blown > batch. > > I use Ken's SilverPuppy for this, as he runs the > current extremely low ( > which REALLY helps to keep the reaction under > control as the batch is > overrun ). I employ both mechanical and thermal > stirring. I first plate > out silver on the bottom of the glass container ( by > running a batch for > hours on end with his generator, thus "blowing" the > batch ). Then, I start > with room temperature distilled water. I run the > next batch with mechanical > stirring, and a gentle heat source. At about the > time I would usually stop > the reaction with this particular generator, I > instead start pumping up the > heat. In this case, I'll often remove the > electrodes for cleaning ( which > is always a big no-no from my point of view when > trying to achieve a most > excellent product ), and as the reaction continues, > I keep pumping up the > heat, until just under boiling. I stop the > reaction. > > What I get is a product that I likely wouldn't use > internally per se. It is > often has a golden hue ( really pushing that poor > lil generator ) and an > extremely rich tyndall effect. > > When I add my 35% H2O2, the CS will boil briefly, > but it will turn clear, > not brown... If it were to turn brown or grey, I > would hypothesize that I > have silver flakes in the CS, or extremely large > particles. After it is > done "boiling", I seal the container ( always glass > ). > > I've played with various concentrations of H2O2... > Of course, caution needs > to be applied, because if the H2O2 remains high, it > can easily damage > injured tissue via oxidation. > > If I add a touch of H2O2 to a high quality colloidal > silver I've made, the > reaction is not visible at all. No boiling, no > color change. The only way > to confirm the reaction is through the change in the > tyndall effect. > > Kind Regards, > > Jason > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ode Coyote" <coyote...@earthlink.net> > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: CS>TJ Garland and mycoplasma infections > > > > > > I once used a few drops of H2O2 as a starter and > made silver snow flakes > > like you'd see in one of those snow scene paper > weights. > > Ken > > > > At 10:28 AM 8/30/02 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > >I have a question or two about making the 3% > H202/CS mixture. About 15 > > >minutes after making a batch of CS using my LVDC > method (3 batteries, > heat > > >stirred, 16 oz. distilled water, 12 g. .9999 > silver wires (my own brewing > > >setup) - brewed for approx. 1 hour after the > bubbles started coming off > of > > >the anode - was a very light yellow and had good > Tyndall), I put a few > > >drops of the 3% H202 into the CS and shook it and > it immediately turned > the > > >most aweful shade of dark brown/grey I've ever > seen. It also had many > tiny > > >bubbles like the H202 was reacting. I let it sit > for a while hoping it > > >would change into something a little more > 'friendly' looking, but it > > >didn't. So I added a little more H202 and it > turned very light, almost > > >clear, with alot more of the tiny bubbles in it. > Finally after a few > more > > >minutes, it became totally clear with no bubbles > at all. > > > > > >Was this a stage it went thru? What is actually > going on when you add > the > > >H202? I read that it is dissolving the > 'particles' of silver and turning > > >the entire mixture into an ionic solution. If > this is so, can you use > too > > >little or too much H202? It seemed like I used > too little at first and > by > > >adding more it finished it's business. I just > don't know. Anyone have > the > > >answer? Also, if you dissolve all the > 'particles', does it still carry a > > >positive charge? > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Christine > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > > >To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > >Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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