Ode Coyote modified my silverpuppy to make gallon batches. Stir is by heat plate supplied by him, getting 16 ppm with auto shutoff. Light straw color, barely perceptible tyndall.. Very happy, thanks silverpuppy.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Monett" <ncrffn...@sneakemail.com> To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 1:42 PM Subject: CS> Maibox Replies #1 > To List, > > Well, I appreciate the opportunity to help people who email me with > questions, but it is starting to take too much time, and probably the > questions should be posted to the list so others have a chance to > comment. > > From now on, I will post any email I get regarding cs, but remove the > sender's full name or any personal information that may cause > embarrassement. > > Here's one that asks my opinion on two commercial cs generators: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Hi Mike: > > > I am a lurker on the silver list and barely understand what ya'll > > are talking about. > > > I am about to get my first generator and have it down to two, the > > silverpuppy and the silvergen ....the $99.00 deals. For one who > > cannot program a VCR what would you suggest? > > > Also, I cannot find anywhere that tells me the shelf life of CS. > > If I have the Silverpuppy what would the shelf life be? I plan on > > using the CS for my family and Labradors (5) and BullDog > > (1)...especially for the dogs drinking water. > > > Thank you for your time. > > > Sincerely, > > > Becky > > Hi Becky, > > Thanks for the email. I have not used either model, but from what I > can glean from their web sites, I'd go with the silverpuppy. > > Here's why: > > SilverPuppy > ----------- > > http://www.silverpuppy.com/current%20controlled%20CS%20generator.html > > "2] Uses 7" looped electrodes in a configuration that presents no > edges to the water for excellent edge discharge characteristics > and greater surface area. [Electrodes are twice the length as the > ones for the old "Standard Series 1" generator, 12 gauge .999+ > pure silver] Surface area of 12 gauge wire is exactly the same as > one side of a 1/4 " flat ribbon of the same length. Total surface > area for 7" = 3.2 sq " submerged with no edges to erode > prematurely." > > "Wire is stronger, easier to handle, mount and swap from side to > side for even wear. 1/4" x .13" flat silver is extremly flimsy , > hard to keep flat and parallel, and most of the ion discharge is > from the side facing the other electrode. Ion Discharge from 6 > edges and 4 corners makes a flat electrode erode into a "V" > shape." > > "3] Makes Colloidal Silver faster and better than the old non > stirred "Standard" model." > > Discard the hype about faster and better. Everyone makes that claim. > > I agree that 12 ga wire is stronger, easier to clean, and easier to > handle. It makes no difference in swapping from side to side to > equalize wear as they claim. > > The 3.2 square inches is a generous amount of wetted area. Just to > check their calculation, if the electrodes are 7 inches long, the > total length of wire is 14 inches. 12 ga wire is 0.25 square inch > per inch, so 14 inches of wire has an area of 3.5 square inches, not > counting the bend at the bottom. > > So, their calculation is reasonable and probably correct. > > Also, this unit comes with a thermal stirrer which some say helps > produce better quality. I have not been able to confirm this with my > own tests, but it might be a useful feature to have. > > Finally, it comes completely assembled and ready for use. > > Silvergen > --------- > > I can't find any Silvergen model at $99. If you mean the SG5A, it > seems to be $119, which is $20 higher than the SilverPuppy. > > http://www.silvergen.com/General/technica.htm > > "Our electrodes are .25 inches wide and .013 inches thick. If they > are submersed 4 inches, the total surface area will be 4.21 square > inches. This is 2.5 times the wetted surface area of 14 gauge > wires. Therefore the current density of 14 gauge wires will be 2.5 > times higher than the electrodes we use. What this means is, the > amount of silver released using our electrodes will be so spread > out over the surface of the electrodes, it will be releasing at a > slower pace. If the silver is released more slowly, the particles > are smaller. They will also be more uniform in size because of the > constant current regulator and stirring. The result is a more > uniform, small particle size colloid." > > A 0.013 flat ribbon will be difficult to keep straight. This means > it will be difficult to keep a uniform electrode spacing from top to > bottom. > > While a small variation probably doesn't matter, you will be > constantly fussing with it and wondering if it is affecting the > results. It is not worth the hassle. > > I'd go with 12 ga. wire. It is much stronger and will eliminate this > area of concern. > > They claim an area of 4.21 square inches. I don't see where they get > the extra 0.21 square inches, unless they are counting the edge > effect. This is actually a bad thing, since it increases the current > density and leads to larger particles. Round wire has uniform > current density. > > The area calculation is wrong. 4 inches of 0.25" wide material has > an area of 1 square inch. I'm not sure they can assume the other > side has equal current distribution, but if it does, the total is > only 2 square inches. > > If they are adding the anode and cathode together to arrive at a > total, they are deceiving you. The current density is calculated > using either electrode, not both. > > Their information is wrong and very deceiving. > > http://www.silvergen.com/ > > "SG5A and SG5B are the original models we brought to the market > years ago. They use the same constant current internal regulator > as the SG6 but do not have auto shut-off, a stirring motor or > variable PPM control. They use external electrodes. This colloid > generator comes with a four page instruction sheet, 3 foot long > electrode lead, 2 - 1/4" wide, 5" long .999 pure silver electrodes > and operates off standard 120 volt wall current. The hi intensity > light emitting diode (LED) indicator serves triple purpose. It > indicates power ON/OFF when the unit is first turned on. When the > cable is inserted into the jack and the electrodes are placed in > the water it then acts as a water quality indicator. If the light > comes on when the electrodes are first inserted into the water, > the water is not good. It has minerals in it which will hinder the > process. With "good" water, once the process has started, the LED > then acts as a current flow indicator." > > The water quality indicator shuts the system off if it thinks the > water is no good. > > This prevents you from seeding a new batch with some from a previous > run. So you cannot speed the process if your distilled water is very > good quality. > > "SG5A inside view. This generator uses the same constant current > regulator as the SG6 but does not have automatic shutoff, variable > PPM control or the stirring motor. You run the unit for a given > time to produce the strength in PPM you desire. It can make CS up > to 15 PPM with no color. Higher concentrations can produce a > yellow color CS because of agglomeration. This unit is identical > to the SG5B but can not work with external DC voltages from 9 to > 40 volts as the SG5B can." > > Although the cheaper model has no stirring motor, I think their > approach to mount the unit on top of the water container is a bit > risky. I'd be concerned about it tipping over and spilling water all > over the place. You do not need water spills where electricity is > involved. Also, the unit may fall to the floor and be damaged. > > The overall design of the Silvergen is not as carefully thought out > as the SilverPuppy. The price is $20 higher. You have to assemble > the unit. The flat strips will be impossible to keep straight. Their > calculations on electrode surface area are wrong and deceiving. > > I'd go with the SilverPuppy. > > But I'd be concerned about supplying 5 Labradors, a BullDog, plus > your family from a single unit. > > If the dogs are not sick, perhaps they don't need any. Your family > is most important, but you didn't say how many people. If you have a > large family and everyone gets the flu at the same time, your little > generator will be working constantly. I'd try to keep a reserve for > situations like this. > > Properly prepared cs has no reason to degrade. If it turns yellow > and plates out, it was prepared with too high a current. You can > solve this by running at a lower current, but it will take longer. > > Hope this helps! > > Best Regards, > > Mike Monett > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> >
