--- [email protected] wrote: > > ...Stuff like this belongs on the off-topic list. > Well, that's not where this "stuff", so grandly > propounded > and suddenly dropped, was found. Why is that? It was dropped on my part because it is senseless to argue the point, if those arguments result in complete disbelief, or other banterings that a simple resistor can do the same job and effects with a different electrical set up, which Mike Monnet had advocated.
So once again I will bring up this point. What I had advocated was the use of voltages created by resonance on the outside of the rectified CS cell. To create these voltages two opposite voltage rises by resonance are created, for the simple fact that you need two opposite voltage sources to create a current flow. In my particular case I had used two large induction coils that could be resonated at 60 hz, which can give a stupendous voltage rise when measured at open connection where these opposite voltage rises occur. A measurement of this voltage rise, with a single silver electrode/ water/ and glass barrier, ( a load of nearly infinite resistance because of the glass portion in series) showed that 38 volts input would register some 900 volts between those opposite potentials when measured only in AC. To create these opposite voltage rises by series resonance, obviously it is necessary to have two coils, where in any moment in time one coil is making a positive AC potential, the other series resonance is making a negative AC potential. Now this set up has TWO purposes. When operated in strictly high voltage AC, a 440 volt input by transformer will create about 10,000 volts AC potential by these resonances. A magnet surrounded by a layer of windings underneath this process will be stimulated to seek a ground path of leakage current through the magnet windings, even though there is no direct electrical connections involved with the magnet windings, where those windings essentially recieve their current by some form of mysterious induction. These currents can be sent through a neon bulb, and then to a aluminum foil plate connection attached to a persons body, to give what is called a version of Rife Neon therapy. Such a Silver electrode/water/ glass barrrier to these potentials, with magnet windings underneath process is shown at; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/MED/Dsc00449.jpg A patient connected to such a source of high potential will emit EM from his body, whereby this can be scope monitored by having him stick his finger through a scope connected coil; Scoping of EM emmited by patients finger; .2 volts/div, 10 us/div http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/MED/Dsc00452.jpg The folder of jpegs containing breif descriptions of this coil work is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/MED/ CS, Rife Natural resonant frequency and Lakhovsky Explorations Now since this is a list devoted to CS, not other health practices, I will breifly describe the adaption of this same coil system for CS production. When I first began doing these trials I had NO IDEA of what I was doing, so I began by using AC. Taking note of what others on the silver list were saying, I quickly found out that low voltage DC was the proper method for making CS. I am especially thankul to "ole Bob" for correcting the error of my ways, and now when I make CS I use a regimen of limiting the current to 1 ma through cells, with a minimal surface area of 1 sq inch on electrodes. I also use a conventional three 9 volt batery in series CS maker to test the cell at beginning and end of batch. I now think that maybe this 70 dollar CS machine may also have a resistor in series with its output, as it only outputs near 20 volts across the CS cell, unless the bateries are old or something, this machine also has the red light indicator that comes on when a short is made. I did not purchase this model, the freind I make CS for brought it over. By testing the voltage and amperage at beginning and end of batch process, one get an idea of the cells increase in conductivity. Normally the 1 ma current limit set by variac input to resonant coil process involves using only about 10 volts input by variac to set that current limit. About 10 hours later one can find about a tripling of initial conductivity readings. Now WHAT may seem UTMOST confusing and bewildering to most folks is that in this CS coil process, as the water becomes more conductive, at a certain point the measured DC current across the cells, ACTUALLY EXCEEDS the measured AC current input to the coil system. Some folks may think I am perfectly crazy for making such a statement, as it sounds like "overunity". The great barrier of understanding here, that everyone seems unable to grasp is a fairly simple one, but not at all universally recognized. There is not just one form of resonance, there are TWO forms of resonance. What I showed by the example of making voltage rise by series resonance, is that a 38 volt input can be turned into 900 volts, BY THE PROCESS OF BIPOLAR SERIES RESONANCES USING TWO L AND C VALUES IN SERIES. The term "bipolar" means that there are two of these processes, each one wired in series backwards to each other like this Binary Resonant Tank Schematic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/BRS/BRT.jpg The schematic is shown with each inversely made L and C series combinations on each side, BEING SHORTED ACROSS THE MIDPOINT PATH WHERE IF THIS PATH WERE NOT SHORTED, WE WOULD SIMPLY HAVE TWO OPPOSITE RESONANT VOLTAGE RISES CREATED BY BIPOLAR SERIES RESONANCES. That is how in this example of large coils being resonated at 60 hz, a 38 volt input will register ~ 900 volts AC potential across just a meter placed across that midpoint path. Now the moment we put an actual load on that midpoint path, that voltage will drop considerably. In fact if we use no load at all, and instead just employ a short across the opposite voltage rises: THIS CONVERTS THE ENTIRE DOUBLE BIPOLAR SERIES RESONANT CIRCUIT INTO A TANK CIRCUIT! In the series resonant example, we obtain resonant rise of voltage on each different side, in opposite polarities. However in a tank circuit, or parallel resonance, we obtain an etirely different effect; reffered to as the resonant rise of amperage, whereby the amount of amperage "inside" the circuit, can be greater than that current measured as entering the circuit. For the example of these coils, at wall voltage we can measure .5 ma entering the circuit, but 2.5 ma through the coils themselves, and additionally we measure 5 ma through the short itself. Each different reactance current in this schematic is showed with a different color, and note how they combine to unity on the midpoint short, leading to a doubling of currents with respect to that measured on the sides alone. In fact the shown schematic is actually not a "simple" tank circuit, but rather the special case of a "figure 8 tank." >From here it should be simple to fathom how I have converted a high voltage bipolar series resonant coil system, into one suitable for low voltage CS production. In the place of the short I have placed a full wave rectification system of 4 diodes, and the the load for this rectification system becomes the CS cell itself. Additionally it should also be plain to see that if at wall volatage if I can only measure 5 ma across the short, that PATHWAY IS "CURRENT LIMITED" TO 5 MA WITH A 120 VOLT AC INPUT. In fact it is an example of a "true" current limited system, and not a "imitation" current limited system. So for a single cell "current limited" to only 1 ma maximum possible amperage, I merely employ what is known as a "variac", or a variable AC voltage supply to that coil system, whereby a much smaller AC voltage input is used. Suppose then I didnt have a variac at my disposal, can one easily imagine what would be done to make such a 1 ma current limited CS cell system? That isnt too hard to imagine is it? I merely use 5 CS cells in parallel as the load on the 5 ma current limited system. Thus I make five ~13 oz batches at a time. IN ALL OF THIS EXPLANATION, THIS IS WHAT I MEAN BY SAYING THAT THE SYSTEM IS 'CURRENT LIMITED' BY THE AC IMPEDANCE OF THE OUTSIDE COMPONENT REACTANCES. THE CURRENT CANNOT POSSIBLY EXCEED WHAT IS INITIALLY MEASURED AS A SHORT ON THE MIDPOINT PATHWAY. What we have here is a variable source of voltage, and that voltage across the CS solution will be reduced to the lowest possible point made by the conductivity of the load it sees on its output. So it shouldnt be that "mind boggling" to note that when a rectified CS cell is placed in the middle of a figure 8 tank circuit, that indeed the DC current through that cell can eventually exceed the actual AC current being inputed, because this is merely a modification of what is known as parallel resonance, which gives a resonant rise of amperage with respect to the amperage being inputed. Now imagine for this case what can happen if we have just a single cell, with a dc voltage meter across the single silver electrodes. Now we remove the electrodes from the water. The voltage then rises to a much higher value, because we have changed the circumstances of the circuit to one that gives an open condition across the midpoint path, hence the circuit then delivers a voltage rise beyond the voltage that is being inputed. Having TRIED at least to explain what I am doing here, let me supply an example of a 5 batch process using CS current limited by resonance, showing the changes that develope in the first hour... From Voltage drops on a silver colloidal water cell testing. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/message/723 A current limit of 4.88 ma is measured across diode DC midpoint path, which distributed among 5 cells in parallel implies that each cell is CL to under 1 ma. The 280 volts DC becomes 36 volts DC when placed into contact with cells. A 19 volt standard battery test shows; 19.4 volts enabling 2.82 ma at startup. Startup after battery test shows; 33 volts enabling 4.77 ma In ten minute intervals: 10 min); 21 v yeilds 4.85 ma 20 min); 18.5 v yeilds 4.85 ma 30 min); 16.7 v yeilds 4.85 ma 40 min); 14.8 v yeilds 4.86 ma 50 min); 13.4 v yeilds 4.84 ma 60 min); 12.6 v yeilds 4.83 ma (Note : 5 batch tests record data a bit different from only single cell batch tests CL to 1 ma, where then inital voltage drops are more rapid than those shown here. There is also the complication of the diodes themselves causing output voltage drops, which is not dealt with here) Battery test is now taken from same source, which shows 18.9 volts yeilds 7 ma. Typically after 10 -12 hr, the final results will be only 2-3 volts across solution, with almost identical current limited identical amperage at 4.88 ma. NST Postnote: The high voltage coil system has eventually failed with hours upon hours of use, where an internal short occured in one of these coils being subjected to some 5000 volts AC, rendering that side of the voltage rise completely abscent. What I will do now is explore what can be done, by similar principles of "current limiting" via use of a variac input to a neon sign transformer, or NST as is commonly referred to. The NST I will use is specified to have a current limited output of 30 ma, when inputed at wall voltage. If one does not understand the operation of a "current limited" transformer, essentially the same principle comes into play, the output current is "limited" by the impedance of the secondary, and we can actually place a short on that output of the secondary, and this will not damage the transformer, or cause any currents in EXCESS of the stated rating. However special circumstances also come into play here, as the transformer COULD be damaged if a properly sized capacitor were placed on that output, as then it would be possible for that secondary to begin "series resonating with that capacity", causing more current and voltage to develope on that secondary beyond the stated manufacturers recomendations. The only possible problems that then might develope is the cap value used for the DC diode rectification that "smooths" out the DC ripple. I only normally use a very small cap value of .05 uf. So essentially if I have a 30 ma output to be reduced to 1 ma across a CS cell as rectified output, this is a 30 fold reduction, so for starters I will try a variac input to the NST that is equally 30 fold reduced from the wall voltage of 120 volts AC, or only about a 4 volt input to the primary via a variac source of voltage. I will post these results later today or tommorrow, to see in ten minute intervals from start of cell batch whether voltage drops across the cell occur, simlar to what is experienced with the resonant coil system. Sincerely Harvey D Norris ===== Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
