The difference might simply be the amount of ozone in the water. I have yet to see a jug that does not say "ozonated".
Ozone can make your CS come out yellow where, if the same jug is left to vent for a few days and used again...no problem. You'll see bubbles forming on the sides of the jug..or boil it and allow to cool. Ode At 06:00 AM 7/30/2003 -0400, you wrote: >url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61588.html >Re: CS>Wal-mart DW >From: Ode Coyote >Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 05:59:53 > > > At 07:30 AM 7/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >> The RADICAL difference in conductance makes you want to buy your > >> own distillation unit. > > >>Best regards, > >> :) Marv > > > Yup, then all the variations are your fault. ;-) > > > Ode > > Ken, what do you do when you run into these problems? > > They can be difficult to diagnose where one contaminant decreased > and another increased. The overall conductance may be quite similar, > but the dw behaves very different. A full lab report might help > track the problem, but that is far too expensive to do on each > batch. > > The manufacturer may be very willing to help, but the > instrumentation they use to monitor quality cannot tell them what is > in the dw, so they have no way to detect changes and correct them. > > I contacted the manufacturer of the WallMart dw I had been using and > promised to post any information that might be useful. Although Paul > was very quick to reply, and extremely helpful, it is clear they > cannot see small changes that can have a great effect on the cs > process. > > Here are copies of two emails on the problem. Note in the second > email he uses a TDS meter and not a PWT. People have remarked the > TDS has a range of 0 to 2000 and is not as accurate at the bottom of > the scale as a PWT. But that's not the real problem. Something > happened that drastically changed the performance of the dw, but has > little effect on the conductance. > > About the only things I can think of to help guard against these > problems are to record the date code of each bottle, and measure the > cell voltage and current during the brew. > > Then keep your finges crossed each time you buy new dw:) > >Best Regards, > >Mike Monett > > Here is the first email: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Paul Cooper wrote: > > > Hello Michael - No we have not changed process of steam > > distillation. Test are done throughout each run to meet set > > standards. If you can give me the code # found on the shoulder of > > the bottle about three inches or so below the cap, I'll be able to > > check our records & retained samples for consistency & let you > > know what I find. > > > Sincerely, > > Paul Cooper - Quality Assurance Manager > > Hi Paul, > > Thank you very much for the quick reply. Yes, I record the date code > on every bottle. The one I am having trouble with is > > APR25030153 > > I use a constant current source and record the voltage and current > during the electrolysis process for each batch. Normally, the > initial voltage across the cell rises briefly, then falls as the > process continues. This bottle shows a very different response. The > voltage doesn't rise at all - it simply starts dropping as soon as > current is applied. > > Also, I get a hard, black shiny coat on the anode - this sometimes > happened with the previous water but the coat was more like a film > that was easily wiped off with a tissue. The hard coat from this > sample cannot be removed by wiping. The only way I can get it off is > to swap the anode and cathode electrodes. When the electrode is the > cathode, the hard coat turns into a soft gray sludge that is easy to > wipe off. But now the other electrode gets the hard coat. > > This is very unusual. Normally, the electrodes both run clean and > seldom have any deposits at all. > > So there seems to be some chemical in this latest sample that > affects the electrolysis a different way. > > Is it possible the source of water has changed? For example, does > Mississauga add more chlorine or other chemicals in the summertime? > > Thanks very much for your help! > > Best Regards, > > Mike Monett > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Here is the second email: > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Paul Cooper wrote: > > > Mike - My records & retention sample show nothing out of the > > ordinary, TDS is 1.5 & pH is 5.60; both good distilled water > > readings. > > > Our last complete analysis was done in 2001 & the following are > > results other than ND (non detected)(PPM or mg/L): > > > Nickel - 0.043 > > Copper - 0.380 > > pH - 5.01 > > Specific Conductance - 4.09 > > Total Trihalomethanes - 0.00062 > > Chloroform - 0.00062 > > > Is this the only bottle you have found this way? Do you think it > > could have been tampered with? > > > If you have some of this water left keep it for possible > > comparison test. Keep me posted on how other bottles do. > > > Paul > > Hi Paul, > > I don't think it could have been tampered with. I check for the snap > as the anti-tamper ring breaks when you first twist the cap off. If > it wasn't there, I would have returned the bottle. > > I just got two more bottles from WallMart. Both have the same date > code > > JUL10030824 > > I ran a batch. Here are the initial readings after voltage is > applied to the cell: > > Tue Jul 29, 2003, 12:45:02 am 11.36V 319uA > Tue Jul 29, 2003, 12:45:54 am 10.68V 321uA <- No slight rise. Boo > > The previous bottles that were date coded before April showed a > slight rise at the beginning, then the voltage dropped normally. The > electrodes ran clean, or with perhaps a trace deposit on occasion. > It was easy to remove by wiping. This product performed admirably, > and I had no reason to look at any other distilled water. > > All the bottles I have purchased since then produce a hard, shiny > black coat on the anode that is impossible to remove by wiping. It > turns into a gray sludge if I swap the electrodes, but now the new > anode has the hard coat. > > I know a trace of salt in the distilled water will do this, but I > don't see how it could get past your distillation process. And there > might be a zillion other trace substances that could do the same > thing. > > I am testing other brands of distilled water. So far they all have > problems of their own. Meanwhile, my process is basically shut down > until I can find a solution. > > Thanks very much for your help. I'll keep looking and let you know > if I find anything worth mentioning. > > Best Regards, > > Mike Monett > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > >
